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Submission Statement

Between 2001 and 2021, under four U.S. presidents, the United States spent approximately $2.3 trillion, with 2,459 American military fatalities and up to 360,000 estimated Afghan civilian deaths.

After the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan in August 2021, approximately $7.12 billion worth of military equipment was left behind, according to a 2022 Department of Defense report. This equipment, transferred to the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces (ANDSF) from 2005 to 2021, included:

Weapons: Over 300,000 of 427,300 weapons, including rifles like M4s and M16s.  
Vehicles: More than 40,000 of 96,000 military vehicles, including 12,000 Humvees and 1,000 armored vehicles.  
Aircraft: 78 aircraft, valued at $923.3 million, left at Hamid Karzai International Airport, all demilitarized and rendered inoperable.  
Munitions: 9,524 air-to-ground munitions worth $6.54 million, mostly non-precision.  
Communications and Specialized Equipment: Nearly all communications gear (e.g., radios, encryption devices) and 42,000 pieces of night vision, surveillance, biometric, and positioning equipment.  

The total equipment provided to the ANDSF was valued at $18.6 billion, with the $7.12 billion figure representing what remained after the withdrawal. Much of this equipment is now under Taliban control, though its operational capability is limited due to the need for specialized maintenance and technical expertise.

The United States has provided at least $93.41 billion in total aid to Afghanistan since 2001. This includes:

Military Aid (2001–2020): Approximately $72.7 billion (in current dollars), primarily through the Afghanistan Security Forces Fund ($71.7 billion) and other programs like International Military Education and Training, Foreign Military Financing, and Peacekeeping Operations ($1 billion combined).  

Humanitarian and Reconstruction Aid (2001–2025): Around $20.71 billion, including $3 billion in humanitarian and development aid post-2021 and $3.5 billion in frozen Afghan assets transferred to the Afghan Fund in 2022. Pre-2021 reconstruction and humanitarian aid (e.g., $174 million in 2001 and $300 million pledged in 2002) adds to this, though exact figures for the full period are less clear.  
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[–] sommerset@thelemmy.club 2 points 10 hours ago

Call your rep, ask for Israel to pay reparations

[–] Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You actually think they were there to stop the Taliban?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Absolutely. The plan was to do in Afghanistan what we'd done in Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Argentina and the Philippines.

We wanted a local aristocracy beholden to the US business interests with a police force willing to brutalize dissidents. Taliban wasn't that thing, so they needed to be supplanted.

Problem was, the Afghan aristocracy that the US aligned with were more vile than the Taliban and rejected by the public at large. So the US spent 23 years killing everyone who refused to submit to them.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 2 points 21 hours ago

The plan was to grow a shitload of poppy

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Don't forget the money and weapons you gave them before.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (22 children)

TBF, withdrawing was a Trump era decision that Joe Biden simply didn't stop. Trump also released 5,000+ Taliban Fighters just before. I feel like if we didn't elect people like Donald fucking Trump then the outcome might have been different, it really seems like he was intentionally causing these problems.

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

and the USA claims healcare for its citizens is unaffordable

[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 7 points 1 day ago

We're also cutting Veteran benefits, which has been a recurring thing.

[–] bigfoot@lemm.ee 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Is this text AI generated? The civilian death toll in the "submission statement" is about 6x higher than accepted numbers and about 100K higher than all total deaths in the entire conflict.

IMO (AI or not) slop like this just "floods the zone with shit" while doing noting to help the progressive cause.

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[–] jh29a@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it's the journey that counts?

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[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Trump is deporting afghan collaborators who came here after that war.

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This shit haunts me sometimes. I remember hearing somewhere that the Taliban actually offered to deliver OBL to the US if they would promise not to invade and we were like "get fucked, idiot". How many people's lives did we needlessly destroy, regardless of nationality, both in Iraq and Afghanistan? What else could have been bought besides misery with the nearly four trillion between those two wars?

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Iirc what they offered was to put him on trial. Which is lol worthy.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago

Oh, okay. Hmm, yeah, that seems sus.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I didnt know about any of this. The article I read mentioned they offered to put him on trial prior to 9/11 too for his other crimes in the 90s. America is literally the idiot bully who yells over anything you say and then eventually punches you in the face while you are confused.

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[–] Asafum 110 points 2 days ago

I mean yeah, all that, but did you even stop to consider how absolutely insanely wealthy we made like 7 people!?

God you people are so selfish with your wah wah thousands upon thousands have died! Think of the rich people for once!

:P

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 73 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 51 points 2 days ago (27 children)

And yet, I've seen people on here criticize the withdrawal. Like, how much longer did you wanna stay, dawg? Another 20 years so the proxy we set up would last another week?

[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People didn't criticize the withdrawal itself (at least non-monsters didn't). People criticized the fact that in so many years there was no robust infrastructure built. They broke whatever was there before them, fucked around for decades, achieved jack shit, and left leaving power vacuum.

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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 56 points 2 days ago (10 children)

didn't usa also train the taliban? because they didn't want ussr to have afghanistan

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 64 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Yes but actually no. Mujahideen (did I spell that correctly?) were CIA funded as they opposed the Russian invasion.

A lot of former Mujahideen fighters did end up in both Taliban and Al-Quebec (autocorrect tells me that's the right spelling) after the soviet-Afghan war, including Osama himself. While allied, they are separate entities.

They are allies and with common roots, but saying Taliban was trained by CIA is an oversimplification. Some of its members were, yes, but that was long before Taliban was a thing.

Also, the paragon of Aged Like Milk:

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