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[–] febra@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago (19 children)

Except Germany keeps delivering weapons to Israel, gives them diplomatic and political coverage, and apparently even has planes in the air to support Israeli fighter jets in their attacks on Iran.

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[–] MetalMachine 35 points 2 days ago

They are complicit in supporting and arming Israel as well as supporting the genocide.

[–] NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org 126 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Moonweedbaddegrasse@lemmy.world 170 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Wellllll... If it hadn't been for Germany, Israel probably wouldn't exist.....

[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 71 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago

They're technically correct, which is the best kind of correct 👍

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 113 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)
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https://xcancel.com/josemendes2/status/1934190961719972153#m

Except we are once again fighting on the side of genocide.

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 85 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Germany is Europe's biggest supporter of Israel.

The biggest issue is that we, the EU, are on the side of Germany now. And their track record with world wars isn't great.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago (22 children)

To be fair to the Germans, I can understand how the Holocaust is integrated into them as a kind of "original sin". What was done to the Jews under the Nazis was so unspeakable terrible, and German society as a whole has done an enormous job at ingraining in themselves that nothing of the sort should ever repeat itself.

The problem is that "nothing of the sort" has translated into "opposing Jews in any way". It seems to me like Germany sees itself as bound to support Jews (and thereby the Jewish state Israel) no matter what in order to "atone for their sins", and I can understand that. However, right now, Israel is suddenly the state committing the closest thing we've seen to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust. It's very hard for Germany to oppose Israel without tickling a part of their history that they've done a laudable job at condemning.

What Germany needs now, is to separate their history from their current politics. I understand that it's difficult, and I don't have an answer to how it should be done, but it needs to happen, lest the same crimes are committed again.

[–] p3n@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Israel is suddenly the state committing the closest thing we’ve seen to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust.

I don't say this to excuse anything Israel is doing, but this is gross recency bias that is glossing over numerous genocides that have occurred since the Holocaust, including:

Not technically genocides, but also worth mentioning in the same vein:

So ya, other than those events, this is the closest thing to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust.

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To be fair to the Germans, I can understand how the Holocaust is integrated into them as a kind of “original sin”. What was done to the Jews under the Nazis was so unspeakable terrible, and German society as a whole has done an enormous job at ingraining in themselves that nothing of the sort should ever repeat itself.

The problem with Germany is that they learned the wrong lesson out of WW2.

Instead of learning "genocide is bad", it's "Jews are always on the right side of history". And that's why Germany is completely uncritically supporting Israel with everything that it does.

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[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

Germany is the second largest provider of weapons to Israel, and a huge longtime consumer of Russian gas, this is a tonedeaf as hell meme.

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[–] wpb@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago (11 children)

They're highly complicit in Israel's actions.

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Israel: we wouldn't have started it without Germany's security guarantees!

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[–] benjaminb@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Germans when they realise WW2 was caused by an man from Austria

Germans when they realise WW1 was caused by the assassination of the archduke of Austria and the subsequent declaration of war from Austria-Hungary on Serbia.

You could say Austria is responsible, but Hitler was in Germany, so WW2 is kinda our problem…

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Clearly, this is all Austria's fault. To punish Austria, Germany needs to invade and annex it....

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Well, for now, I haven't seen Austria do anything to start WWIII

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[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well if they didn't genocide all those millions of innocent Jews 80 years ago, western countries wouldn't accept the invasion and genocide in Palestine over the last decades

[–] sqgl@sh.itjust.works 0 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Palestine population has been increasing over the last decades. ⅔ of European Jews died in the Holocaust. Comparing very different tragedies here.

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-palestine-population/

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