the mistake is listening to MSM which are captured by conservative owners.
this post was submitted on 13 Jun 2025
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There really doesn't need to be some magic spooky conspiracy here. This is so tiring. Iran is literally at war with the west and making a nuke. No matter what you think of this there's no need for a catchy name conspiracy here to explain anything.
Do you not know about the WMD thing with Iraq?
There's more truth to this than there was to the wmds thing, we know Iran has enriched uranium up to 65% which is way more than you need for nuclesr power and only a bit short of the threshold for bombs.
But it's also entirely Trump and Israels fault in the first place, Iran were complying with Obamas nuclear deal then Israel convinced Trump to stop honouring it so Iran rightly did the same. It's a problem they created in order to have an excuse to attack Iran.
My first thought before checking other people's takes in the Internet is that we (USA) were just acting like it took us by surprise, but it was actually planned because we want to crush the Muslim state, and this is the best opportunity we've seen to move forward with that. We immediately defended Israel against Iran's retaliatory barrage.
I admittedly know shit about foreign policy but just assume we do things that any racist christian nationalists might do, and that's one. I'm not supporting Iran here; just trying to make sense of it. Religion poisons everything.
And WMDs were my generation's Gulf of Tonkin incident, and another generation's USS Maine.
There was no corner of the known world where some interest was not alleged to be in danger or under actual attack. If the interests were not Roman, they were those of Rome's allies; and if Rome had no allies, then allies would be invented. When it was utterly impossible to contrive such an interest—why, then it was the national honor that had been insulted. The fight was always invested with an aura of legality. Rome was always being attacked by evil-minded neighbors, always fighting for a breathing space. The whole world was pervaded by a host of enemies, and it was manifestly Rome's duty to guard against their indubitably aggressive designs. They were enemies who only waited to fall on the Roman people.
- Joseph Schumpeter
They'll be really upset when they realize young people wont sign up to fight another oil war for a country that is actively enslaving them.
They don't need to. They already have the largest volunteer army in the world that is compelled to fight else risk losing economic incentives and/or job opportunities back home. Not to mention all the nutjobs that will willingly go abroad to kill "for their country"
The youth won't save us. There's millions of people who grew up in conservative households believing that killing brown people is the (only) American Way.
And even so, lots of guys from the sticks who wound up in Iraq and Afghanistan signed up to the military in order to get a free ride, not because they had any particular ideological motivation other than having no opportunity in wherever it was they came from.
They got a free ride, alright. Straight out into the goddamned desert.
Valid point, my intention was to highlight that the younger generation is generally more self-focused and has better access to the information (if they seek it). Be that a good or bad thing, with enlistment numbers dwindling, I presume it has more to do with better access to information and self preservation dwarfing the maga need to eliminate 'non-whites'.
Young people are not automatically good just because they are young. There are murderous fascist young people as well.
Nothing new, the MSM has always been the propaganda mouthpiece for the gov't and the war machine. Look for independent reporters, substack and the like, for real news.
independent reporters, substack and the like, for real news.
But they don't hand out branded tote bags that I can take to brunch to let the gals know I donated.....
Also they are so negative all the time!
Democracy Now!, TYT, Breaking Points, etc... you'll get some differing opinions at times, but way more truth than MSM.
Oh, you mean how Israel was created in the first place? That's odd.
what's the excuse they're going with?
Iran was "days away" from getting a nuke.
even if that were true, the principle of M.A.D. suggests that for maximal stability, opposing factions should have nukes. Iran not having nukes is too big of an advantage for Israel, even if nobody ever uses them.
Its crazy to see people advocate Iran having nukes. We went full circle into a paradox of tolerance.