Recently joined and started a community for people who want to move away from Lemmy and want to see Lemmy loosen its stranglehold on the threadiverse, if that seems like something interesting to you consider checking out !cancel_lemmy@piefed.social

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[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 3 points 5 hours ago

Fwiw, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

I for one am extremely happy to see PieFed flourish, and one of my chief reasons to move to it 8 months ago was specifically to block lemmy.ml.

That said, I have no desire to "cancel" anyone at all - and the Lemmy devs are worthy of respect for their accomplishments, even as they also deserve some criticisms for the way that they run their instance.

I love how the future allows PieFed and Lemmy - and Mbin, nodebb, flarum, friendica, mastodon, pixelfed, etc. - to exist altogether in the Fediverse, without needing any of the others to die out. I even maintain accounts on both PieFed and Lemmy instances, as each currently offers features that the other lacks.

(also, if some of the lemmy instances were to be cancelled, then all of their users would come over to here... think about that for a moment, is that a desirable outcome to you? :-P)

[–] mesitoispro@ttrpg.network 0 points 6 hours ago

I don't really have an issue with the lemmy devs, but admins and mods can routinely suck a fat one.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Get a job

[–] lorski@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 days ago

there is nothing wrong with lemmy.

[–] tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.garden 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"Stranglehold" lmao. They invented the threadiverse and they are welcoming other implementations like mbin and piefed. That's the opposite of a stranglehold.

Go cancel yourself

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 hours ago

i wouldn't say they invented the threadiverse, groups have existed on the fediverse since diaspora, but they certainly popularised it.

Diversifying the amount of software in any network is always a good thing though.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 3 points 1 day ago

The capitalfascists are trying everyrhing they can to destabilize any attempt at anything free. I'm not saying piefed is that but the amount of recent tries to cancel the lemmy devs and now lemmy itself does reek like capfash.

@dessalines@lemmy.ml do you guys know that a couple of these attempts are being made? Please update us if more stuff like this pops up.

[–] underline960@sh.itjust.works 45 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You can sell me on Piefed without trying to cancel Lemmy out of nowhere.

How does it compare to mbin as a Lemmy alternative?

[–] elevenbones@piefed.social 26 points 2 days ago

What the fuck are you talking about Jesse?

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 days ago

I like Piefed, it's my daily driver, but cancelling Lemmy is probably too much.

The majority of people still haven't moved from !privacy@lemmy.ml (!privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) or !linux@lemmy.ml (!linux@programming.dev ), so trying to get them to switch platform based on "cancelling" isn't productive.

If you want to advocate for your platform, explain what features Piefed has compared to Lemmy (https://join.piefed.social/features/) instead.

[–] cyborganism@piefed.ca 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Why cancel lemmy? it ain't perfect, but it's not a bad platform.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Some people for some reason want to cancel or boycott lemmy as a software because they think it'll hurt the Devs, which is stupid because this is open source software. Not only do the Devs get nothing from people using it without donating but they can't stop people from using it either, and since it's opensource, they can't stop people from modding/forking it either. This whole movement to cancel Lemmy is just reactionary garbage.

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[–] WatDabney@piefed.social 6 points 2 days ago (13 children)

My thought is that Piefed is too eager to curate my experience and too heavily promoted of late to be believably organic

It reeks of an organized, astroturfed attempt to effectively centralize the fediverse.

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

too heavily promoted of late to be believeably organic

No. Its promoted because of its fast development and extra features.

Piefed is decentralised itself.

[–] mesitoispro@ttrpg.network 1 points 6 hours ago

Oh goodie, they're moving fast and breaking things...

Just what we need more of.

[–] mesitoispro@ttrpg.network 1 points 6 hours ago

I agree.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

Piefed isn't a centralised system itself. There isn't just one Piefed instance.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I don't really agree that it's an attempt to centralize the fediverse but I do think that the push and praise for it feels extremely unnatural, especially how people are bragging about liking and wanting the reputational features of it, and being able to hide the modlog. Like dude those are the biggest reasons people left Reddit, and now suddenly "people" are just going gaga for those same anti-features. That seems more than fishy to me...

[–] WatDabney@piefed.social 6 points 2 days ago (4 children)

The reputational anti-features are part of what makes me suspicious. I agree entirely with your impression of it.

And the unnatural and extremely sudden increase in mentions - over just the last week or so, it's gone from Piefed almost never being mentioned anywhere to it being mentioned in hundreds if not thousands of threads a day. That also makes me suspicious.

The other thing though is Piefed's automated subscription feature, which, if it gains enough clout, will allow it to effectively promote or undermine, as the devs prefer, communities or even entire instances, and to erect a barrier to entry for new communities and new instances, simply by granting or withholding inclusion on its subscription lists. That's the primary thing that triggers my suspicion.

Well - that and the fact that aside from anti-features like reputation and automated subscriptions, I don't see anything notable about the software, and to the degree that it differs from lemmy or mbin, it seems if anything to be inferior, which makes the sudden flood of praise just that much more suspicious.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And the unnatural and extremely sudden increase in mentions - over just the last week or so, it's gone from Piefed almost never being mentioned anywhere to it being mentioned in hundreds if not thousands of threads a day. That also makes me suspicious.

It was gaining momentum anyway, but the big reason was the collapse of lemm.ee - which held many medium-sized communities having to find a new home. A lot (not all) chose piefed.

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[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

Beehaw has been asking for better moderation tools for two years, it's nothing new.

Also the lemm.ee admins burnout made people question how to deal with toxic users

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[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've always thought it was really weird and really dumb sentiment to want to cancel Lemmy, as an Open source software. It's like people think they need to endorse the developers' views to use Lemmy, or pay them money to use the software. But like that's really dumb. Lemmy is free and opensource software, the developers have no say in who uses it, it's also opensource meaning anyone can fork it. So this position just seems weird and reactionary.

One thing that really makes me reluctant about the future of piefed is the fact that it runs on Python. Great for tinkering but it likely won't scale well, and Python is famous for breaking backwards compatibility. So expect this project to be hosed when Python 4 or 5 comes out and breaks compatibility or syntax with the previous version. I saw this happen with Kodi and other platforms with Python Based plugins, and it'll most definitely happen again, not to say it can't happen with something like Rust or Go, but these compiled languages are designed for big projects, python is just one-off scripts, so the ones maintaining languages like Rust, Go, C++ work a bit harder to keep them as functionally compatible as possible so big projects aren't crippled and trashed by an update.

Anyway that's my opinion on this whole thing, I don't believe Piefed is the future, and I do not think Instance Admins should jump at the chance to abandon Lemmy. Maybe for sublinks if it ever comes out, but not for piefed.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Mate,you have a 20 year old perception of python. "good for tinkering", Cheezus...

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[–] Quokka@quokk.au 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (12 children)

I just moved my instance over to PieFed on the weekend.

If anyone is looking for a smaller PieFed instance away from the bigger players, we'd love to have you here at quokk.au.

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