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LA Protesters Aren’t Inviting Violent Authoritarianism, They’re Mobilizing to Stop It (theintercept.com)

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WHEN PRESIDENT DONALD Trump announced on Saturday night that he would send the National Guard to Los Angeles to crush protests, a narrative emerged on social media that demonstrators had somehow given a gift to the authoritarian president by escalating confrontations with U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement.

“Los Angeles — violence is never the answer. Assaulting law enforcement is never ok,” Sen. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., posted on Sunday. “Indeed, doing so plays directly into the hands of those who seek to antagonize and weaponize the situation for their own gain. Don’t let them succeed.”

In reality, the protesters throwing rocks at heavily armed security forces or attempting to damage the vehicles used to kidnap their immigrant neighbors did not introduce violence. They are instead acting in militant community defense.

After all, would the situation somehow be less violent were ICE left to snatch and disappear people without impediment? Does Schiff imagine either his pronouncements or the empty condemnations of his Democratic Party colleagues will slow down the deportation of our neighbors?

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[–] Triflingmagoo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago

I hope these protests continue indefinitely.

I hope more and more and more people join these protests. Enough so, where the economy is drastically affected each and every day.

More people protesting = less people working = less money for the states = less money for the federal government.

We can stand our ground, defend ourselves physically, as well as hurt the economy financially.

In other words, I’m wanting a little bit of anarchy. Just the tip.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 137 points 1 week ago (9 children)

LA is doing a great job of keeping everything calm. There was no reason to send the National Guard and now the Marines. Trump knows he looks like an idiot and is going to try and speed up the dictatorship early. Let's not give him a reason to look like he's doing anything and continue to be calm. Republicans, you're in on this or I would hear something from you. You r's better start speaking up mf's.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 72 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Man, Schiff is such a fucking limpdick. Sometimes, violence is the answer. Otherwise, we’d all be speaking German and Japanese.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Don’t believe the doubters: protest still has power

Nonviolent protests are twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts – and those engaging a threshold of 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about change.

There are, of course, many ethical reasons to use nonviolent strategies. But compelling research by Erica Chenoweth, a political scientist at Harvard University, confirms that civil disobedience is not only the moral choice; it is also the most powerful way of shaping world politics – by a long way.

Looking at hundreds of campaigns over the last century, Chenoweth found that nonviolent campaigns are twice as likely to achieve their goals as violent campaigns. And although the exact dynamics will depend on many factors, she has shown it takes around 3.5% of the population actively participating in the protests to ensure serious political change.

Working with Maria Stephan, a researcher at the ICNC, Chenoweth performed an extensive review of the literature on civil resistance and social movements from 1900 to 2006 – a data set then corroborated with other experts in the field. They primarily considered attempts to bring about regime change. A movement was considered a success if it fully achieved its goals both within a year of its peak engagement and as a direct result of its activities. A regime change resulting from foreign military intervention would not be considered a success, for instance. A campaign was considered violent, meanwhile, if it involved bombings, kidnappings, the destruction of infrastructure – or any other physical harm to people or property.

Source in article from 2019

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 68 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (14 children)

I’m not saying protest doesn’t have power. But the power of nonviolent protest diminishes sharply if there’s no implicit threat of violent protest if matters get pushed too far. One of the primary reasons MLK succeeded was because Malcom X was waiting in the wings.

Nonviolent protest against a status quo ante is one thing; nonviolent protest against an aggressively authoritarian regime that’s grabbing more power by the day is quite another. It is a very, very different context.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I see what you're saying, but I live in Seattle. I saw how they spun our city as a "hellhole" and "it's on fire" for months. I had family members calling to see if I was okay when it was very contained and our cops had been quiet quitting for years anyway, it was that fucked up. You have to have the people on your side, and not be on the side of the soldiers/agents/whatever.

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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It should be completely legal to shoot cops with rubber bullets whenever you feel like it. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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[–] Harlehatschi@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I know this is quite easy to say from the comfort of my couch in Europe, but guys you need to shoot this fucker in the face already.

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[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It doesn’t matter what they say. As long as they’re congregating and throwing rocks, Trump can say “see I told you” and all his fans will believe him and agree. Whatever they choose to do is fuelling his ascension to dictatorship.

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