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[–] TheBeege@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

In addition, the Secretary of Defense may employ any other members of the regular Armed Forces as necessary to augment and support the protection of Federal functions and property in any number determined appropriate in his discretion.

As I understand, this is not a thing the regular Armed Forces can do, correct? I thought that only the National Guard could conduct non-training operations on US soil and/or against US citizens, barring an invasion or secession. Does anyone know more than me about this?

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Yes. Out of the federal military branches, only the coast guard can: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago

Brits: this is what will happen if you let Farage in.

Act now to prevent it.

[–] StalleDrang@lemmy.world -5 points 6 days ago

Too bad it's a fact

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 232 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

This is the language from the law that would permit the President to mobilize National Guard troops in a state without its Governor's consent.

Edited to add: found the law here, it's small and easy to read: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2011-title10/html/USCODE-2011-title10-subtitleE-partII-chap1211-sec12406.htm

If it is invoked, it says:

Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States

But I parse that "shall" to mean the Governor is forced to comply.

[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 73 points 1 week ago (4 children)

How long until he declares Martial Law?

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 134 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I mean, this is technically exactly that, albeit in a much more limited scope.

The last time this was invoked was in 1965, during civil rights demonstrations in Alabama. But the Federal Government sent in the troops to protect the demonstrators from their local police.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/march-20/lbj-sends-federal-troops-to-alabama

This time it's the other way around.

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[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Would be interesting if there is a way that people on the right actually join the left on this since this is the thing the right armed themselves for

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 71 points 1 week ago (9 children)

The pattern I see is that most on "the right" here will not be able to break out of their disinformation bubble unless it affects them personally. So only the small portion who have seen someone they know ("one of the good ones") harassed by ICE will respond.

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[–] chosensilence@pawb.social 164 points 1 week ago (3 children)

our national guard and armed forces have a decision to make: us or them. this is your time to reject fascism.

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Many who join lean conservative. Many are trump supporters. Don't forget the numbers that voted for him and continue to support him.

It's not going to be that easy.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 92 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Not really. The military is a lot more diverse than you probably realize. It's a big melting pot. So many stories of rural Americans raised in racist environments joining the military and being exposed to all kinds of people and realizing they grew up kind of fucked up.

Contrary to what the stereotype is. A lot of military people are pretty wise and worldly. Seeing different cultures and having to deal with the fallout of failed states. It's not like they're progressives or even Lefty's. But they're not MAGA or right either.

This is why they've been firing lots of officers as well. If nobody is aware, the trump government has been removing many many senior leadership in the military.

I think the move right now by the left is to build bridges for people on the right who have spent their life fearing this type of action. Need to leave open the possibility that there are people on the right who understand this isn't good. Obviously there's the trump zealots. But I bet there's a group of right wingers whose fear of government over reach supersedes support for Trump. Groups like the heritage foundation will increase not activity to suppress that mentally among them. But I think we'll start seeing them speak up if we listen.

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[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 153 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (16 children)

Microwave dispersal cannons can be blocked by a large poster covered in aluminum foil. Just be sure to attach it to a wood stake.

Sound cannons are loud enough to work through strong ear protection, but sound waves are still air pressure pulses. You can disrupt the flow of the pulse with a solid enough curved shield.

If necessary, storm matchs have their own oxidizer. You can light it and wind won't put it out. Styrofoam and gasoline is sticky. Use that information however you want

Do not use a belt to stop blood flow. Get some proper tournequtes (I don't remember how to spell it). Slide it on, and turn it until the bleed stops. If you think it's too tight, turn it some more.

Edit: most military vehicles are diesel fueled. They are pretty thirsty, so be sure to share water with them. Right in the fuel tank is good enough.

[–] LuigiMaoFrance@lemmy.ml 67 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

microwave canons

I did not know about these, but some quick searches suggest that they pose a major threat to people's eyesight as they can boil your retina before you really feel anything when used at a low strength.

Messed up these are used at protests, fuck these fascists.

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 130 points 1 week ago (11 children)

So the trump administration is fully admitting that the insurrection attempting to block the certification of the Presidential election 2021 on Jan 6 was open rebellion?

[–] AngrySquirrel@lemm.ee 49 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Holly shit. I hadn't seen that last image you posted before. I didn't realize the Jan 6 insurrectionist brought flexcuffs. That is quite disturbing. Who the fuck were they planing to kidnap or take hostage with those flexcuffs?

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[–] spirinolas@lemmy.world 125 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Calling it...Trump declares California to be in rebellion and suspends their votes in the electoral college and congress in the next elections.

[–] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 1 week ago

So much other stuff will happen before then

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[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 76 points 1 week ago (6 children)

ELI5, If Republicans in general don't want federal control, they want de-regulation, then why they are supporting federal control of California?

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 75 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They are only against federal control when it's them who are being controlled. They are fine with it happening to other people. It's how they can claim to be pro freedom out of one side of their mouth and anti-freedom with the other. Laws for thee, none for me.

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[–] uberdroog@lemmy.world 69 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Oh this ia what they want. They are chomping at designating leftists as enemies of the state.

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[–] Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world 67 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 65 points 1 week ago

The country was in peril; he was jeopardizing his traditional rights of freedom and independence by daring to exercise them.

  • Catch-22, Joseph Heller
[–] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 60 points 1 week ago

Here we go. Buckle up and arm yourselves.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 55 points 1 week ago (11 children)

This is another step in Project 2025

Provoke outrage with the mass deportations, then use that outrage to justify marshal law and deploying the military.

[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I’ve been talking about this for a decade now and a lot of people accused me of being a conspiracy theorist.

Time is a flat circle that only consists of about 100 years. Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it (or rhyme, whatever) and those that do learn from history are doomed to watch everyone else repeat it.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

its annoying and stupidifying how goddamn stupid humanity is that all it takes is 1 generation of removal to repeat the exact same fucking bullshit,

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[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 55 points 1 week ago

Isn't this the same as saying *the government is working against the will of it's populace"

[–] vala@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Can California please just withhold taxes already and put this country out of its misery?

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[–] SpaceShort@feddit.uk 46 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Time to make that a reality.

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[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 46 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The biggest national security threats are Trump, the Heritage Foundation, MAGA, and Musk

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