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What does the number 196 have to did with tankies? (mander.xyz)

submitted 2 weeks ago by KurtVonnegut@mander.xyz to c/outoftheloop@lemmy.world

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[–] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 59 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Oh man this is a rabbit hole.

So back in the old days, you had a subreddit called 195 which had only one rule: if you visited it, you had to post the most recent image in your gallery.

At some point, you can imagine, the posted images became either quite graphic, political or downright offensive, sparking lively debates in comments.

This lead to r/195 eventually closing. A lot of new communities were started. r/196 was maybe the biggest and is still around on lemmy on at least two instances.

The more political, and sometimes hateful, folks of r/195 would sometimes brigade r/196 leading to lots of bans. The rise of federation led to a place for these people, a place we now call Lemmygrad.

How the schism exactly took place, I don't really know. Maybe someone else has some more info.

In any event, r/196 is just the community name. If you visit the communities on lemmy you might find a lgbtiq+-friendly community with a lot of funny stuff. The tankies are pretty much all gone.

[–] Nay 10 points 2 weeks ago

Not OP, but thanks. Was always curious myself!

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

I can actually explain the schism, kind of…

So the original reason for /r/195 was due to a dorm room number. The roommates started it, and visitors had to post before leaving. It was just a sort of joke and/or meme dump between their friends. Then it got popular across a wider audience. By that point, the original roommates had already moved out and lost interest in the sub, so it was left unmoderated. This led to the Nazi Bar phenomenon, where the alt right and nazis quickly started using it to post Nazi memes, and run the original posters off.

These original posters created /196, and moderated it heavily. This heavy moderation was specifically because of the nazis on 195, (which also led frequent brigades on 196) so anything even slightly conservative quickly got squashed. As a result, /196 became known as a safe space for LGBTQ+ people.

But when it was brought to Lemmy, the schism developed. Largely due to differing mod/admin behaviors, and individual posters preferring one community over another. The .ml instance tends to be cordial, but is very heavily moderated. Dissent is quickly deleted and admins issue bans liberally; The .ml instances tend to be cordial because there isn’t much room for discussion outside of the admins’ specific beliefs. This means the /196 on .ml quickly fell in line with the types of posts that the instance required.

Meanwhile, the /196 on blahaj primarily focused on maintaining that safe space for LGBTQ+ mindset, so that’s where those posters landed.

As far as the /c/196@blahaj vs /c/onehundredninetysix schism, that was due to a disagreement with the mods of /c/196@blahaj. The mods tried to move the community to Lemmy.World instead, taking a “the users don’t own this community, we do” stance on it. That backfired, as many of the blahaj posters disliked the admins of .world, plus centralization flies in the face of lemmy’s decentralized structure. /onehundredninetysix was created in defiance of the /196@blahaj (and /196@world) mods, and many of the @blahaj posters moved there instead.

[–] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 11 points 2 weeks ago

This is all half remembered from Reddit...

If I recall correctly there was an old subreddit 195 that was named for the address numbers of some dorm or other housing a college campus to share memes and stuff with each other. It was left of center but eventually devolved out of control and started to get more mean. 196 was created as an offshoot to migrate to after 195 became a cesspit, part of the rules of 196 was you had to post a picture before leaving (maybe?). It was taken over by leftists after a while and swung more towards a ml/tankie bent.