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[–] SwitchyandWitchy@hexbear.net 64 points 4 days ago

I thought this was somewhat common knowledge, but having the documents on the public record instead of just the word of an ex-engineer should be a big deal.

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 52 points 4 days ago

Godamnit. It's so hard to guess which parts of the world suck from incompetence and which ones from active evil nowadays.

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 49 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Of course, Doctorow already described this phenomenon in the essay about enshittification. It's no surprise the advertising company will pivot to advertisers and shareholders rather than users.

[–] supdawg813@hexbear.net 41 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I had assumed that everyone had already read and internalized this very well written article, The Man Who Killed Google Search by Ed Zitron

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 17 points 4 days ago

I am also bad about assuming everyone has my exact knowledge set.

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 41 points 4 days ago

Capitalism reduces inefficiency and bolsters competition and innovation they said.

[–] commiecapybara@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago

This is why we need to go back to personally-curated site directories monke-beepboop

[–] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

When using a search engine whete you know what site you want info from, you can add site:hexbear.net to the search, for example is communism okay site:hexbear.net would only return results from hexbear

i stopped using google 'as intended' a long time ago, i mostly use it because i can't spell for shit

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

sadly they broke a bunch of the boolean keywords and use of quotes a long time ago

[–] hogslayer@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

and use of quotes

yeah, that's mostly why it's useless to me now.

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 26 points 4 days ago

This has been known since 2008 by marketers. Even Google employees outright stated it at conferences.

[–] kittin@hexbear.net 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Capitalist innovation at home:

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 23 points 4 days ago
[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 20 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Anyone tried any "premium" search offerings? I have a tech friend recommending Kagi and I wonder if anyone here has opinions about it.

[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I've been using meta search engines like 4get, searxng and whoogle right now.

4get has been really nice for me.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago

Know of any Google alternatives that allow equivalent dorking? SearX doesn't do the trick. obama-sad

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

I'll add a second recommendation for Kagi. Being able to block sites (like Pinterest) is a game changer too. Their search, though ridiculous at first to bring yourself to pay for what was once free, is more than worth it.

[–] SanicHegehog@lemm.ee 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I use Kagi, highly recommend. I’ve found it tends to be better at filtering out blogspam and I use the “quick answer” feature a ton.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Interesting. I'm not enamored with the idea of paying for something that used to be high quality for free though :(

My google results are just completely filled with AI shit on any new topic though. And any old topic where I'm specificallllllly looking for a page I know exists because I've read it before the site gives me trash that's new-ish instead of the older page I know is perfect and doesn't need any new variation and should just be the best result for that thing forever lol.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago

You know what they say, if you’re not paying for the product, you are the product.

[–] machinya@hexbear.net 3 points 3 days ago

it would probably depend on your search needs and habits. i use searx as my main search and it works good enough even if results are not great. i tried kagi for a bit and i didn't find a huge difference. it might have been a bit better with results and being able to group results is a great idea but the improvement was not sustancial enough to warrant the cost. also, having an account associated with your searches feels really problematic

[–] blame@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago

I think there's a real chance google could be broken up. They've lost a couple of major antitrust cases in the past year but it remains to be seen what the judges will do. I think it's going to be difficult for everything that isn't ads to survive though if ads is what gets cut out.

[–] anaesidemus@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] hogslayer@hexbear.net 3 points 3 days ago

need Bill Hicks emojis