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The Catholic Church has issued a warning to its clergy in Washington state: Any priest who complies with a new law requiring the reporting of child abuse confessions to authorities will be excommunicated.

https://www.newsweek.com/catholic-church-excommunicate-priests-following-new-us-state-law-2069039

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[–] LePoisson@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Bro it's breaking Catholic canon. They can change that shit that's what the Pope is for.

Maybe God would be chill with revealing child abuse even if it comes from confession. Just carve a little exception out there. Crazy that the clergy would rather protect pedophiles than reinterpreting some doctrine.

[–] Bilaketari@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

First off, adapting religion to secular laws is not how that works. There's the separation of church an state and the state should have no say in any religion. The country was based on religious freedom and escaping what the English kings were trying to do to Christianity in their realms (controlling religion).

But second you shouldn't take that way since you don't seem to grasp the role reconciliation has for Catholics and Orthodox (and others). It's a sacrament (or sacred mystery for Orthodox). That's dogma and the practice/form is in large part a matter of unchangeable doctrine. That kind of doctrine never gets changed, ever, and never has. It's an essential part of Catholics' beliefs. Parts of format are just regular teaching which can get changed, but that's not a matter of interpretation, it's a matter of practice (in this case canon law) guided by the foundatinal dogma and unchanging doctrine. The seal of confessing is so fundamental, so sacred that there have been numerous martyrs whose status comes from having been willing to die rather than break it. It's would be less grave to lie about believing in Christ to save your life than to break the seal (and most martyrs died for refusing to reject their faith when Christianity was prohibited).

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 days ago (8 children)

And there goes any hope of Ameripope not being a piece of shit. Delightful.

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This article is from 2 days ago before he was elected the pope.

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[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (3 children)

There's all this talk about how this will automatically excommunicate priests who violate the confessional and how it's a grave sin and how the law is forcing them to sin and all that. I would understand the extreme pushback on this if this made a priest go to hell.

Here's the thing: Excommunication is TEMPORARY!! The penalty for a priest violating the confessional and potentially saving the lives of many children is a temporary separation from the Church that can readmit the priest after a penance. They care more about themselves being away from the Church for a short period of time than for the lifetime of health and happiness of children. They make it sound like it's the worst punishment you can give to a priest, on par with the punishment this gives to a kid who is harmed. It's fucking sickening.

I would understand the extreme pushback on this if this made a priest go to hell.

I wouldn't. Religion shouldn't get a fucking hall pass for arbitrarily bad shit because "we don't want to go to the scary place we made up."

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 days ago (5 children)

readmit the priest after a penance

The priest actually has to repent - if he still thinks he did the right thing, he isn't forgiven.

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[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Imagine thinking you could sin recklessly, tell it to some dude in a funny hat/robe and that God is somehow okay with it. Imagine keeping the identities of child abusers secret because of that stupid line of thought (or because you can relate to the person touching kids).

[–] dullbananas@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

In Catholicism, presumption makes a confession invalid

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[–] Helvetica@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago

Oh, I thought maybe this had to do with standing up against some regressive anti-immigration law, but nope, it's just the Catholic church being weird about sexual abuse. Again.

[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

They've always had this policy. A priest would be excommunicated for revealing even a murderer, if they knew about it from a confession.

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