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Stop reading the news.
If it happens it happens. If you see the flash, lay down prone on the ground with your head towards it and your hands covering your face. Otherwise until that happens, just carry on as normal with your life
stop reading the news
Because the news contrives to frighten you.
Sorry. Don't really like Morrissey but had no choice there
I just skim stories and catch a general idea of what's going on for this reason.
'Is this something I can actionably do something about? No? Then don't worry about it.'
ITT people claiming this could be a WW3 starter. Even if India engaged Pakistan militarily, I fail to see how that would lead to anything larger than a localised conflict.
Like, neither country is geopolitically significant enough for any major players to care at that level. Sure, India getting bogged down in war could affect supply chains around the world, but would any of the heavyweights like US, China, Russia or a semi-relevant NATO country think that would be worth their involvement? If Russia being on year 11 of their military invasion of a NATO-bordering country hasn't sparked a world war yet, I don't see how this would either.
Since when is India not a major player? Last I checked they were the world's 4th biggest economy, have almost 20% of the population of the planet (more than four USes combined), 4th largest military spend and have nearly 200 nukes.
Not to say that it would be part of a world war but it sounds weird to say that they're not a heavyweight but Russia is, despite having double Russia's economic output.
They both have nukes though
They've had these border skirmishes and terrorist attacks about every 2-3 years for the last 50 years without resorting to nukes.
Agree with everything you've said. They only thing is China has been contesting a North Eestern border with India for some time so they might take the opportunity for some shenanigans.
Still don't see it escalating beyond regional though as you said.
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India RN:
I suspect that’s exactly the reaction Pakistan is hoping for.
On one hand I think you're right but on the other, if they're correct, I'd say they want India to know they're in their systems or have spies.
That kind of an opsec failure is going to be disconcerting at a minimum.
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Isn't this just India posturing because of the Kashmir attack? The first threat about cutting off water was an empty one so now they are floating some military strike just to appear thst they care? I may eat my words here, but neither party is going to risk a full on war with an enemy with nukes over a place like Kashmir.
How is India posturing ? They ARE cutting off water
But they ain't got that infrastructure to stop the flow for long time
If you say so
Oh for fucks sake.
Before we all die in WW3 I'd just like to say: It's "Oh for fuck's sake."
Oh for fuck is sake
Since the sake belongs to the fuck, the possessive apostrophe is appropriate. It's not a contraction.
Actually this is a common misconception. Fucks sake is a rice wine from the Fucks region of Giveashit. Nothing to do with Sir Reginald Fuck despite appearances
Not how I wanted to solve global warming.
Ice Age!
The British did a 'divide and rule'. Religion was the tool used to do the division 75 years ago at the time of separation. Religion is the same tool used today to divide the country internally and manufacture hate and consent for war.
The "everything is fault of the British" is such a cop out. India and the region had no trouble dividing themselves very publicly with caste systems, no?
People just need education.
The British popularized the phrase, which gives away the playbook. The rich and powerful use this playbook time and again to divide the masses. Education should help, but siloed propaganda is really effective to counter even education because propaganda uses fear & hate to bring out the animal in you, and when you're angry and scared you forget all reason and all education.
This playbook existed way before Britain did. Even in ancient India.
We know for a fact that one things works against all of these playbooks - education.
Just to be technically correct, very little evidence suggests caste system was abused in ancient India, that maybe because figuring out ancient India is hard due to lack of archeological evidence. But most of the horrible abuses of caste system are documented around 900AD and later.
Sure but the local monarchies of that time still had strong status and seggregation systems afaik
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I only learned about hostilities between the two countries after about 28-30 years on the planet (thanks, US edumacation system) and I still don't think I understand why they don't get along...
To any who are stuck in their countries as their governments choose the stupidest possible actions, you have my sympathies, and I wish you well in the coming days.
My impression of the conflict: The partition of British India into independent India and independent Pakistan was very violent and traumatizing for lots of people, and also left some unsolved border disputes. The independence of Bangladesh from Pakistan was likewise very violent and saw India helping the Bangladeshi people gain independence. Both events are long enough in the past that people could have gotten over the hate by now, except that it gets refreshed with new violence every few years. In the last few decades there's been several terror attacks in India that were sponsored by the Pakistani state. But now India too has a religious fundamentalist government, so maybe they'll be trying to return the favor. Authoritarians love creating external enemies, it helps them stay in control of their own population.
Border disputes (mainly Kashmir) worsened by the friction between a Muslim-majority Pakistan and a Hindu-majority India when both are led by increasingly nationalist governments, basically.
Ah yes, “my god(s) that I made up is better than your god(s) that you made up”
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Maybe the answer could be pulling an Andorra. Make Kashmir a different country that is supervised by both current countries.
Pakistan was created by Indian separatists (I'm oversimplifying, but that's the crux). They're divided by religious groups (e.g. Pakistan is majority Muslim, while India is mostly Hindu (~80%).
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If this causes nukes to fly, then it’s been nice knowing you all of if it causes WW3.
Same but also more real for me because I live in Mumbai. Probably the top target for Pakistani nukes.
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it’s been nice knowing you all
Has it though?
They've had an actual (small) war before over Kashmir, subsequent to them both getting nuclear weapons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_War
They did not use their nuclear weapons.
It also marks one of only two instances of conventional warfare between nuclear-armed states (alongside the Sino-Soviet border conflict).
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From the top minds that brought us, "who? Bin Laden? Here?"
Hmm for some reason I didn't have India Pakistan on my bingo card this year. Guess I should have after the past couple years of conflict between them. Russia China America and Isreal took up all my spots this year though.
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