The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
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• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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So... where is that outrage from preppers and gun enthusaists of the government barging into their homes?
Can you image if Biden, Obama, or even Bush did this?
There would literally be a massive armed mob outside the White House.
Turns out guns are useless in the face of propaganda, I guess.
Reminder that many states have "STAND YOUR GROUND" laws that include protecting you in the event you shoot someone claiming to be a federal agent who doesn't produce badges or a warrant.
Funny you think people will still get a fair trial (or even a trial at all instead of a bullet or "accident") in the United States after shooting someone from the regime.
Considering ICE likes to abduct people in masks, civilian clothing and without any identification and thus are easily confused with burglars, i'd say shoot on sight for trespassing would be a viable option.
Read as: Enter your home under the false pretense they're looking for migrants, so they can search for any reason to charge you with a crime and toss you in a camp.
Sounds like a second amendment solution.
violent problems require violent solutions.
Can't wait to see it clash when someone blows away an ICE agent in a castle state
Once upon a time, German authorities decided to raid the home, or rather estate, of the local Hell's Angel boss. Police (SEK) came up to the door in civilian clothes and balaclavas, announced themselves as police. Boss inside panics, thinks it's a rival gang trying to take him out, grabs a shotgun, shoots a police through the door. Ultimately gets apprehended.
Police file murder charges. State attorney downgrades that to manslaughter. Judge says "WTF that was self defence if police don't want to get shot through the door they shouldn't be running around ringing doorbells in civilian clothes and balaclavas anybody can shout 'police open up!'". Still got nailed for illegal possession of firearms on top of everything else he was wanted for, of course. Welcome to German law where you can legally stand your ground with a full auto but are not allowed to own one.
The person who would that, if they are somehow still alive, will be crucified by the state.
Fun Fact: In Indiana, you can legally convert ICE agents into a fine red mist if they try this.
They have no legal protections while breaking the law.
Problem is... It then gets reduced to you shooting at people, and people shooting at you. That's seems like lose lose situation.
I mean, if you're going to die anyway, might as well take some assholes with you.
And dying in a concentration camp in El Salvador is a lose win situation
If a bunch of armed guys in masks show up refusing to identify themselves or provide warrants, what do you think most people would assume they are???
In a country with more guns than people, this seems line an insanely stupid tactic that guarantees preventable tragedies.
Warrants get rubber stamped on a regular basis, the argument that it's suddenly too onerous a burden and they're just allowed to ignore our constitutional rights is pretty fucking absurd too.
law enforcement isn't known for it's critical thinking
This is a blatant violation of the 4th Amendment, and they are counting on the Supreme Court to back then, which they won't. Then they'll just ignore the Supreme Court, and do it anyway.
Which is why everyone needs to be arming themselves and open-carrying at protests moving forward.
Agree. They need to be extremely afraid of us. Politicians are greedy cowards, and they only respond to money and fear. We don't have money to bribe them like the Sociopathic Oligarchs, so we have to make their fear of us overwhelm their greed.
Enter my home without a warrant or identifying yourself, and your gonna leave in a casket.
I've also explained to my family that we do not open the door to anyone, especially people who claim to be cops. Way too easy to claim it, then force their way in while your waiting for them to prove who they are.
The law nerd in me is intrigued by the idea of a Third Amendment issue arising in the wild.
The citizen in me is horrified that they'd even fucking try.
Like fuck they can.
I'm not fucking going to El Salvador.
Bang bang bang.
I said we would have late night, door to door searches by year's end,
They're running early
And yet people keep telling me Democrats are just as bad.
Those GOSH DARN Democrats keep trying to feed and house immigrants with MY TAX DOLLARS.
Instead of putting them in cages and throwing them in prison. (AGAIN WITH TAX DOLLARS.)
Someone is going to get killed.
I hope a lot of them (ICE agents) do. I wonder where all these gun toting larpers who take guns to walmart to "protect the innocent" are?
Yeah what you need to do is 2nd amendment some of those house invaders under the castle doctrine of your State
Good to know that a Stetson University law degree isn’t worth the paper its printed on.
It'shard to keep up with all the shit, but didn't the supreme court rule they couldn't use this act? Does a "DOJ memo" override a supreme court ruling?
Oh, I literally just remembered my Mexican ex-roomie still gets his mail sent to my house
Well, everyone, the gun kept by the door for this exact reason is looking more and more like Im right to have it... Fuck
No, They can not, It is a violation of the constitution. Which dumb fuck also is in violation of.
Shoot warrantless masked unconstitutional kidnappers and ask questions later.
Sounds a little too familiar
This is fucked.
By the time they enter, if they do, it will no longer be my home. It will belong to my estate. Fuck this admin. I hope we survive it and learn from it, at least until the next century when we will have forgotten about it again.
For some reason, I keep thinking that people used to booby trap their doors to discourage these types of activities. I vaguely think this was an IRA thing?
Not sure if it actually happened or it was just something from a movie, but I'm curious what would happen after a few ICE raids were turned into meat sauce by door mounted claymores.
The reason it's illegal, is to protect firefighters and paramedics in case they need to enter a home.