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[–] GiuseppeAndTheYeti@midwest.social 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

I just purchased a 28TB hard drive for ~~$230~~ $330. It would have taken 5.6 million of these IBM 350 units to equal that.

To put it into perspective, that would be more than 2 football fields in height, width, and depth (725ft³). And buying all of those units would have cost $896 billion in 1956. Adjusted for inflation that's $10.48 trillion.

Edit: Sorry to get anyone's hopes up. I mistyped $330 but if you're wanting to get a mass storage drive at the price I did, I got it from Server Part Deals on eBay. They're manufacturer recertified so essentially brand new and come with a 2 year warranty. (At least mine did.) My drive had 3 hours of spin time and had been spun up 4 times according to the drive health report. The way they can sell these for so cheap is by buying deprecated spares from massive data centers in bulk and recertifying them to resell.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] GiuseppeAndTheYeti@midwest.social 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I mistyped. It was $330 and it's a manufacturer recertified drive with a 2 year warranty and was only spinning for 3 hours and spun up 4 times. So I don't plan on it failing for awhile. I'll eventually buy more in the future so they can be configured for RAID.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 minute ago

I just lost a 12TB Toshiba X300 that was mere months out of its 2 year warranty. Never spin up a single drive! They will always make you wish you mirrored, one day.

[–] jenny_ball@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Sorry, check my edit!

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Even in the 80s when I was a fresh-faced young programmer the hard drives we had in the computer room were the size of washing machines. I don't remember how much data they held but it was 100MB or less. A disk pack was a stack of disks more than a foot in diameter, stacked on a hub, with gaps for the read/write heads to reach in. The pack had a clear plastic cover, like for a big cake. You would lower it into the drive, twist the handle to lock it in, pull out the cover and close the lid, just like on a washing machine.

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

As you can see from the sign, hard drive parking had not yet been invented.

[–] JayleneSlide@lemmy.world 17 points 8 hours ago

But of trivia about the first IBM hard drive: the heads weighed about 8g each and were glued to the actuator arms. The platters needed periodic cleaning, but the cleaning agent dissolved the glue holding the heads. The heads would break free from the arms and adhere to the platter. The rotation speed would accelerate the head outward, and the head would exit the housing with the approximate kinetic energy of a 9mm bullet.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Cute how the IBM logo basically hasn't changed

[–] noughtnaut@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Fun fact: it used to have 13 bars, but changed to the current 8 because 13 bars could not be made pretty on (8-pin) matrix printers.

Fun fact: exactly once, the team organising IBM's participation in the Copenhagen Pride parade got away with wearing t-shirts with the bars printed in the rainbow colours. Immediately after, they were notified that such alterations to corporate branding was unacceptable.
^(I cherry the two shirts I still have.)

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago

Look at that back form, my gosh.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 32 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Yes kids, before color TV was commonplace people would stand around and watch cargo get loaded for fun. It was a dark time in entertainment history.

[–] Lesrid@lemm.ee 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

This honestly just makes me wonder how chill a workday was if three whole buildings of office drones could empty into the streets to watch them load this for two hours.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 16 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

My brother in christ, you have no idea. The rise of the computer age and needing round the clock support for all that entails has really done a number on the working class. I am old enough to remember how chill work environments in the 80's and early 90's were. (Everyone smoking indoors sucked, though)

[–] Lesrid@lemm.ee 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I considered editing my comment to reference the rampant secondhand smoke.

But yeah I just interviewed for a position with an on-call rotation. I asked them about sleeping hours, and then I asked them about attendance expectations in the face of a midnight emergency. They just blinked at me.

Good luck to you man. I went through that for a long time but those days are behind me now.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 points 7 hours ago

The invention of clocks ruined the workday as well.

[–] egonallanon@lemm.ee 15 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Hey if someone told me I could go see the 2025 equivalent of this hard drive being unloaded if probably go take a look.

[–] Cenzorrll@lemmy.world 13 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)
[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] egonallanon@lemm.ee 4 points 7 hours ago

Server rack with a couple of PBs worth of drives in it would probably match the physical size. Or a massive tape archive storage.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 points 7 hours ago

Tbh they could be waiting for the path to clear so they could get past

[–] CreatingMachines@fedia.io 26 points 12 hours ago (6 children)

What would have happened if we just dropped a 20tb hard drive in front of the computer researchers of that time?

World war? Aliens? Or just trashed due to how advanced the tech in it would be to them? Yeah, I think the last.

[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 55 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

What would have happened if we just dropped a 20tb hard drive in front of the computer researchers of that time?

Nothing, they would have no idea what it was, or how to interface with it. They might even end up destroying it because they have no idea of the power requirements. Even if they managed to get it powered up and guessed at what it was for, they would still be stuck with the issue of not having an operating system which is capable of logically addressing all of the storage. And the lack of drivers would make that even harder.

A lot of modern technology sits atop a mountain of other modern technology which must be sorted out before you can even start to think about designing the end product. It could be that, since they knew what was possible, and had an example to crib off of, scientists and engineers could have gotten to that point faster. But, there is just an insane amount of prior tech in front of modern computers that any one piece of it, thrown back that far, would likely just be shiny junk.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 hours ago

One of my favorite things about what you are saying is modern transistor gates are smaller than microscope resolution at the time. Even if they could recognize an integrated circuit it would be another 10-20 years before they could even start to reverse engineer it.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

The power requirements are printed right on the label tho…also they had x-rays back then too.

[–] cageythree@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 hours ago

Yeah that or aliens.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Printed circuit boards were becoming "commonplace" (according to Wikipedia) and the transistor had been invented about 7 years before, so they'd probably be able to figure out at least conceptually what they were looking at. In other words, it's not as if it would seem like a magical rock etched with runes or something, like it would if you showed it to somebody from 1554.

Therefore, I think they'd get out a microscope and oscilloscope and start trying to reverse-engineer it. Probably speed up the development of computer technology quite a bit, by giving them clues on what direction to go.

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

Therefore, I think they'd get out a microscope and oscilloscope and start trying to reverse-engineer it. Probably speed up the development of computer technology quite a bit, by giving them clues on what direction to go.

Knowing what something is doesn't necessarily teach people how it was made. No matter how much you examine a sheet of printed paper, someone with no conception of a laser printer would not be able to derive that much information about how something could have produced such precise, sharp text on a page. They'd be stuck thinking about movable metal type dipped in ink, not lasers burning powdered toner onto a page.

If you took a modern finFET chip from, say, the TSMC 5nm process nodes, and gave it to electrical engineers of 1995, they'd be really impressed with the physical three dimensional structure of the transistors. They could probably envision how computers make it possible to design those chips. But they'd had no conception of how to make EUV at wavelengths necessary to make the photolithography possible at those sizes. No amount of the examination of the chip itself will reveal the secrets of how it was made: very bright lasers pointed at an impossibly precise stream of liquid tin droplets against highly polished mirrors that focus that EUV radiation against the silicon and masks that make the 2-dimensional planar pattern, then advanced techniques for lining up 2-dimensional features into a three dimensional stack.

It's kinda like how we don't actually know how Roman concrete or Damascus steel was made. We can actually make better concrete and steel today, but we haven't been able to reverse engineer how they made those materials in ancient times.

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[–] nihilist_hippie@lemmy.ca 18 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

From that, to 1 TB on a microSD the size of a fingernail. Impressive!

[–] atocci@lemmy.world 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It's doubled, we have 2 TB cards now

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 9 hours ago

If random source is to be trusted, it cost $34,500 in 1957. You could lease it for $3,200/month. The 2TB card is $180 in 2025.

Adjusted for 2025:
2TB MicroSD: $180
5MB HDD: $398,852.50 or $36,995.01/month

Adjusted for 1957:
2TB MicroSD: $15.70
5MB HDD: $34,500 or $3,200/month

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

What a bizarre method of loading! Had to look when forklifts were invented, turns out there were in common use during WWII. I'm not too hot of a driver, but throw that thing on a pallet and I'd have it in there is a minute flat.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 15 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Average size JavaScript file 2025.

[–] tauren@lemm.ee 6 points 11 hours ago

In megabytes or in m^3^?

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[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 9 points 12 hours ago (13 children)

Imagine what a HDD of that size could store today.

[–] Michal@programming.dev 1 points 3 hours ago

At least 1 node_modules

[–] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 5 points 9 hours ago

At least one call of duty game, sick!

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