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Hmmm. I think it is potentially very off-putting to use phrases like "you're angry at...", and "you've been taught...' It smacks of us telling them what they think and has that very quality of knowingness that these folks find such a turn off. I think we could turn to cult de programmers for advice on how to approach them
Personally I'd rather the popular left stops constantly bowing and scraping to these asshats for the slimmest opportunity to drag them kicking and screaming into the 21st century while they resist at every opportunity and instead focuses on building bridges with like minded people who don't have to be convinced that black people and trans women are human. We are long past the point where that was viable.
MAGA is constantly treated as if they're lost little lambs with no agency of their own and just have to be convinced into doing the right thing as if they didn't make those choices themselves with their whole chest. They watched a billionaire do a Nazi salute on live television and they cheered for him. They have told us what they are. Believe them.
We tried. They didn't want to know. Fuck them.
It doesn't matter what we'd rather. We need them.
Who's "we"? They want people like me dead.
This is really well written. Thanks for sharing.
Sadly, the writer of that post forgets to consider that many MAGA already know these things and they do not care. They've wanted someone to hate and discriminate against all thier lives. They can't pick blacks openly because the retaliation is real. News are also a hard target in modern times (for now). So MAGA picked a much smaller percentage of the population as a test run. They just need someone to hate.
The right-wing media has killed two birds with one stone. Using woke they've simultaneously kept the Right frothing at their mouth and kept the Left distracted fighting fights that are utterly meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
The left likes to fight about definitions and distinctions. Rather than trying to unite under the lowest common denominators - which we all generally agree on. However, modern upbringing incentivizes being a statue.
You are good in your lack of action, because all actions have negative reactions. So by doing nothing, you are morally correct by guarantee. So how can the status quo change?
Personally I want to identify the lowest common denominators. Then again what human hasn't. What is evil? What is good?
In capitalism, it has been hard to find what truly sparked the instability. Greed is always blamed but greed is a basic human necesity for survival, it itself cannot inherently be evil.
So I have determined oil once more, for what other shape shifter enters your home, vehicle, and body? Darkness beyond that of the abyss, yet it comes in every color and form.
Final Fantasy 7 and X-Files did amazing at representing this. Global warming, microplastics, pollution, smog, etc. It's all covered.
Wait. What? You're saying the problem is...oil? Like, the reason for the current state of affairs in this country - and a few others...?
America has a stereotype of invading other countries over what?
Yes, it is a crutch abused. It essentially sped up the process of capitalism by facilatating printing. While also being useful for fuel and other fun experiments.
Plastic, a synthetic material is actively replacing lots of things we would make of organic resources. However by using plastic they can reach wider margins, lower travel costs and make products shittier.
It was a huge convenience for equating the quality of life disparity however, in my opinion, this is where life turned. It used to be a tool for light and other miscellaneous properties. However it has grown, molded, and shown how horrifying it can be with human assistance. It is why there's little plastic particulate in our bloodstream now. Where will it go?
Money is governed by oil.
So in turn, oil controls you.
You are wrong about greed. Greed is learned behavior and is not intrinsic to real human nature. Capitalism is not natural and is what has accelerated this greedy need in human society because our very existence is predicated upon it. Take away capitalism and instill an egalitarian system, and greed would disappear.
I wrote a WoT, but had to strip it down to this.
Republicans have been offered everything. They obstinately and willfully reject any overtures or policy that could aid them. Reductionist, low-effort logic combining ideological and religious identity that offers the perception of control over their lives and yet the strings are pulled by the wealthy.
We can offer the common Republican everything, even control, and they will take it and set their opponents on fire with it. Just like they’re doing now. The only hope is to cut the head(s) off the snake. Otherwise they’ll just continue throwing good money after bad. They’re too invested to change.
Trick old as time. Sadly, it works pretty well with the uneducated mob. And uneducating people have been the government job for a while.
I think a lot of people overemphasize the importance of converting a MAGA enthusiast into an ally. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for accepting people who recognize the error of their ways. But there's realistically not much return to be had there. The important conversions are:
- Low-information Trump voters/casual supporters -> Anti-Trump
It's estimated that around 25% of people who voted for Trump in 2024 fall into this category. People who voted for Trump but don't consider themselves MAGA. These are the "price of eggs" voters. Maybe some gen z bros who wanted their crypto to go up and got convinced by right coded pod casters that Trump wasn't a monster. We want to convert them into voters that vote against MAGA or stay home.
- Anti-Trump observers -> Anti-Trump activists
All movements have people who are ideologically aligned but do not actively participate. It's no small thing for someone to decide that they want or need to take an active role.
- People who didn't vote -> Anti-trump voters
In a recent poll, 89% of people who didn't vote said they disapproved of Trump's job performance. The way to overcome their apathy and get them out to vote is to support candidates with progressive agendas that they feel will have a material impact on improving their lives. The "hey, at least we're better than those assholes" strategy might win Dems some races in the short term but long term success means actually bringing about positive economic change. This also means tapping into anti-establishment feelings that run deep within society.
All the arguments in the OP are true and are worth stating. They will help people with lower exposure to politics see the forest for the trees. However no one drinking the MAGA kool-aid is gonna say "Yeah this lib who is talking down to me, they're right and everything I believe is wrong".
So many democrats don’t understand how someone could possibly be stupid/blind enough to vote for Trump.
If those same people were switched at birth with the Republicans they look down on them they would probably be voting Republican.
It is always worth trying to understand where other people are coming from. If you didn’t have the education that you got, if you were raised in the environment they were raised in and heard the messages they heard and suffered through whatever types of challenges they suffered (instead of the ones you did) then you would have a different world view. You would. That is a fact.
I am surrounded by democrats and they all think republican voters are low class idiots. If I were a republican then why would I want to vote for a party of people who obviously think I’m a low class idiot?
I feel bad for them, sure.
They still need to take responsibility.
They need to first be in a position to experience the consequences of their behavior in order to even be introspective about themselves.
The prosecution of the January 6 rioters was a wake up call for many of them, and that's what it takes: FAFO.
Until they were all pardoned. A big part of the lesson for many became; We get away with it if we win.
Definitely this was Trumps takeaway. He broke the law his first term many times with little or no consequence so of course he is doubling down.
I'd also mention that the Dems are profoundly unpopular right now. I can't tell you many Trump voters I've talked to the past few weeks that have a short circuit when I tell them that I hate the Dems too, probably more than they do. Many Trump voters (and non-voters for that matter) are as Anti-Dem as they are Pro-Trump, if not moreso.
I'm not sure how to convince these people to vote for a Democrat in the short term. Even if in the long term the goal is a new party or a radical restructuring of the current one.
Neat. They won't read this. This will be shared exclusively by people on the left and consumed the same way. There's no getting through to them, and certainly no more room left for capitulation. Violence is the only way out of fascism this far gone.
