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Serious answers only. For over a year I was told that trump "doesn't have anything to do with that".

I honestly need to know from an actual Republican who believed trumps words and is now witnessing p2025 almost hit 50% completion with the department of education getting dismantled.

And with that; how do these people feel that public schools, daycare centers and tech schools all going to cost 3-6x as much as it does now for tuition?

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[–] 10001110101@lemm.ee 35 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

I know a couple life-long Republicans I sometimes briefly talk about politics with (one family, one acquaintance). Neither of them like Trump, but like the idea around Project 2025. One is an evangelical Christian, the other is a Catholic.

The Catholic strongly believes government should be run like a business, and the president should be like a CEO, so he should be able to fire everyone and replace them, if needed, with workers that will execute his plans. He's also an anti-abortion, and tough-on-crime/immigration type. However, he strongly disapproves of Trump seemingly being pro-Russian now, Trump and his cabinet's personal lives (he's always strangely fixated on people's personal lives, in a moral sense, for some reason), the take-over of the FBI and CIA, and the tariffs hurting his stock portfolio.

The evangelical Christian just doesn't like Trump as a person, and doesn't like Russia. He's a just-world-hypothesis, small government, women are subservient, pro-business type; but also low/lower-middle-class, and has needed, and will need the social services he opposes. I guess his opinions are pretty similar to the Catholic's, just a little more extreme on the social side, and supports policies that have always hurt him. I mean, Republican policies hurt the (fairly wealthy) Catholic too, but at least they get to say their taxes are lower and there's less red-tape.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 13 points 4 hours ago

He wants a king, not a democracy

[–] whereisk@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

“Government should be run like a business” sounds like a totalitarian religion.

So basically the opposite of what the founding fathers wanted with separation of powers and checks and balances, right?

I thought these people were cosplaying traditionalists.

[–] 10001110101@lemm.ee 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Yeah, these people are ignorant of and don't care about civics. The ignorance of the one guy surprised me, because they went to a decent college, but didn't even know what gerrymandering was. They are un-american, IMO.

[–] eronth@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

He thinks the president should hire/fire anyone they want, but they dislike the people the president has been choosing.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

No offense but your personal experience does not characterize an entire religion. 2 people do not speak for 2 religions unless one of those people is the Pope.

The reality is people often use the guise of religion as an excuse for them to act a certain way when in reality they are just bigots.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Idk I grew up as a fundamentalist. It the religion is shitty without the toxic politics.

[–] SolidShake@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago

Interesting. Thanks for the time man.

[–] yarr 30 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Project 2025 is the most double talky I've ever seen Donald Trump. "Project 2025? Nope, never seen it, never heard of anything in it, but it's got some great ideas. I'm not going to follow it and I don't have anything to do with it but I hear it has some really good ideas, but I won't be adhering to them."

Reminds me of the "Unite The Right" rally where he wouldn't really condemn anyone: "Those folks are really nasty, but also there's a lot of good folks."

I think this is part of his "charm". He double talks, so if you are a fan you perk up on the positives and let your eyes glass over during the bad parts.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

this was actually a key part of Hitler's strategy. early on in the Nazi meetings they would try to pin down and give an exact agenda and set of policies.

he would yell at everyone that they're missing the point. it's more about the vibe than the logic. being vague and ambiguous keeps your options open.

"It is not truth that matters, but victory." Adolph

By refusing precise definitions, you are able to retroactively decide what the ideology "always meant". so when it's convenient to hate against health insurance CEOs you are "against the swamp". when it's convenient to dismantle the government you are "against the swamp"

it can mean whatever you want it to. similar with the "enemies of the state"

nazis would use the word marxists or "degenerates" very loosely. makes it very easy to shift blame to a specific target or another when necessary

berlin's degeneracy is because of gays, somewhere else it may be gypsies, another it's the jews, etc.

today we see phrases like "radical leftists" "cultural marxists" "woke ideology" etc

a federal judge blocked some of Trump's orders (Trump ignored it of course) and what does he call him? a radical left judge. something that couldn't be further from the truth- radical left would imply some type of communist or socialist. but it doesn't really matter because the term is vague enough it can work

[–] Lazer365@lemm.ee 129 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

I live surrounded by republicans and they are super happy with all the good things Trump is doing together with puppet master Musk. Everything that he said during his fake State of the Union was truth and proof of his many victories during the first 2 months of his presidency. I tried once to bring up how the tariffs are sales tax for Americans (making life even more unaffordable), because I thought that would be something nobody could disagree with, and weeks later I’m still getting shit about it. I am convinced that he could launch a nuke on a ‘lib city’ and most of the republicans would still applaud it. In a cult the leader is always right and is never to blame for the bad.

[–] SaraTonin@lemm.ee 44 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

There’s a guy in the news at the moment who has started a GoFundMe for a legal defence for his wife who has been deported. Says he doesn’t regret his vote for Trump.

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[–] SolidShake@lemmy.world 48 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It's crazy. How many Democrats do you know that had Joe Biden profile pictures? I know people can't tell their in a cult usually. But man they make it obvious most of the time.

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I got into an argument with my dad a couple days ago about this exact thing.

I was bitching that despite being given unlimited power, Biden just fucked off and let the carion eaters have their way with the corpse of America. His response? "It's all Biden's fault." He's being sarcastic and thinks he's making fun of maga, but he's right. This shit is Biden's fault. And Garland's, and all the other bitches in Blue. He actually thinks I'm defending fucking TRUMP when i point out Dems fuckups. He goes on and on about how politics isn't a team sport, but then he engages in fucking tribalism, just like the magats.

It's infuriating.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 12 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

He actually thinks I’m defending fucking TRUMP when i point out Dems fuckups.

Herein lies the biggest problem. We've taken up sides along the single line drawn for us, and are therefore blinded to the fact that this is a class war. You can say "it's not red versus blue", and get nods of agreement, and then in the next sentence, they'll say shit like this, showing they don't really get it.

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 4 points 5 hours ago

It's not left and right, it's up and down.

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[–] sifr@retrolemmy.com 59 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

At this point, I don't know why Republicans don't outright just say they want people who they see as less than them suffering and/or dead. That's their only consistent political view.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Studies show that people on the left are more trusting of others in general than those on the right. It is reflected in their obsession with guns and their rejection of social programs.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

Leftist ideology is at its core about people. Even when it is wrong, it's wrong trying to help people.

The right is just about power. The only mistakes it makes are actions that cost it power.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 10 hours ago

So many of them are in denial about it themselves. It's very strange indeed.

[–] Caffeinated_Sloth@lemmy.world 122 points 21 hours ago (12 children)

Just for some perspective: in 2009 I was a Christian nationalist and I thought Obama was going to use FEMA to imprison conservative dissenters and would turn the US into a communist dictatorship. I hoped and prayed for an explicitly Christian government and an end to most federal programs. If I had the same worldview now, I would be orgasmically happy with the way things are going.

[–] Machinist@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

What denomination, primarily, were you? Did you manage to get anyone out with you? (I was unable.)

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