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[–] hesusingthespiritbomb@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

How the fuck did democrats go from the party that hates misinformation to the party that believes implausible posts on a platform known to be full nonsense because it fits a cute narrative?

[–] MiniMoose4Free@lemm.ee 9 points 5 hours ago

Ah, the classic anything I don't agree with is fake news.

ask any millenial what all our parents were telling us until they got on facebook.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

So anyways I started shit posting...

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago

Good and screw the neo-Nazi who found the fuck out.

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 63 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

The fact that this guy posts this on X with a paid-for blue checkmark tells you everything about why Trump won and why he'll keep winning. The left has made almost no effort to win the information space. They just lose and then celebrate when some of the harm falls back on MAGA.

How about his for a change: Win. Try to win. Stop kowtowing to right wing information propaganda spaces that stifle the left like X, Fox News, and Rogan. Fight them like the right fights the left in the information space. True, you won't get to celebrate when your neighbor suffers from Trump, but it'll be because he didn't vote Trump in the first place.

[–] S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I saw the "Dems are the Uvalde cops Magas are the shooters." And goddamn it salpped ever since. You guys need to get a real 3rd party that is real grassroots socialist.

[–] SolidShake@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

that would be me. sucks im too poor to run a campaign though lmao.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 7 points 12 hours ago

I've been watching people go on and on about a Socialist revolution since I read about Gene Debs in high school.

I haven't seen them actually do anything yet.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 14 hours ago (8 children)

This is a liberal account, he's not a leftist. Leftists have been in the streets, while liberals remain in the tweets.

[–] MiniMoose4Free@lemm.ee 3 points 5 hours ago

You expect a "both sides" maga to know that? Seeing all these "it's the dem's fault for not telling us how shit trump would treat us" folks is crazy. Everyone want to blame the dems for the lepords.

[–] SolidShake@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

everyone in the country should be liberal. but it seems most just ignore the term and definition behind it though and just assume only left/democrats want to have freedom

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[–] ItsJannnneee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 14 hours ago

Trump was never on your side, now you're finding out the hard way :|

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 27 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] whatevercomeon@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago (6 children)

Please remember it is important to not gloat or "I told you so". This person, for a reason of which does not matter, has decided to exit the cult. This person needs support and praise for their bravery. I don't care if it is for a selfish reason.... ultimately they made it out, their mind is free! That is cause for celebration.

[–] spacesatan@leminal.space 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

What do you think this community is for, exactly?

[–] whatevercomeon@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Sure, you're right that it fits. I thought it was worth mentioning for when people encounter these types when offline. I too enjoy the schadenfreude, its why I am here.

[–] npcknapsack@lemmy.ca 20 points 11 hours ago

Is there any evidence they decided to exit the cult? People will paint the walls beige when selling a house, and that doesn't mean they don't still like whatever red and green Christmas themed house they had to start with. Pulling down a flag while selling the house you can't afford doesn't actually mean you wouldn't still vote for him.

[–] masterbaexunn@lemmy.world 12 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Idk seems like that decision was made FOR him and not by him

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 8 points 13 hours ago

A not-insignificant portion of Trump's base will be in this boat, if they aren't already. We should be ready with messaging to pull them out of the cult, so that they don't fall back in.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Heres the problem. We kept the gloating and "I told you so" to a minimum after Trump round 1 and the Civil war.

Hammer it home. They need to know Every. Fucking. Minute. Of every. Fucking. Day. That the choices they made got them fired, took their job, and ruined their country. Almost everyone knew it was going to happen and warned them, and they just dug deeper with their knee-jerk "nuh-uh" fake news 3rd grade playground bully logic. They need to know beyond a doubt that they are stupid, short-sighted, easily manipulated bigots. Why? Because the only way they can change it and do better is if they fucking know it, believe it, and see that they need to change it.

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 4 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I think the "I treat people like shit and expect them to change their view because of it" is harmful.

This is not how you change a mind. This is how to get sombody to double down on their bullshit who where ready to change their views.

[–] immutable@lemm.ee 3 points 9 hours ago

It depends.

When the group hurts you through its own incompetence, you can land in hard times and still believe the ideals of that group. The ability for people to rationalize things is incredibly powerful.

Now let’s say that the trump supporter is ready to no longer support trump now that they’ve been personally victimized. Where they end up can be a massive spectrum. Cult followers tend to idolize and forge parasocial relationships with their cult leader.

You might think that you are seeing them reject trumpism and all it stands for, when in reality it’s much closer to someone feeling betrayed by someone they believed they had a close personal relationship with. Their rejection of the cult has nothing to do with what the cult believes, but comes from a reaction to a feeling of betrayal by the beloved cult figure.

In that case the fertile ground to win hearts and minds isn't there. There are excellent case studies of this “embrace to change minds” strategy working.Daryl Davis converting 200 Ku klux klanmen is an inspiring story, and one that many point to to support the idea of embracing people instead of punishing them.

The problem is that this isn’t the same situation. Daryl Davis was willing to spend years talking with, and building relationships with people that actively hated him. He didn’t go to people who had a tiff with their local klan leader and tell them “it’s ok buddy, let’s be friends now, I forgive you.” Instead he put in a tremendous amount of effort to build relationships which made it impossible for these guys to continue to hold on to their bigoted beliefs

So what’s the danger in not treating these people like shit? Even if it were ineffective, isn’t it better to just be nice to them anyways? We have a contemporary example to draw from, reconstruction.

After the us civil war there was a difference of opinion much the same as the one we argue today. And we tried the gentler approach

As it became clear that the war would end in a Union victory, Congress debated the process for the readmission of the seceded states. Radicaland moderate Republicans disagreed over the nature of secession, the conditions for readmission, and the desirability of social reforms as a consequence of the Confederate defeat. Lincoln favored the "ten percent plan" and vetoed the radical Wade–Davis Bill, which proposed strict conditions for readmission.

Lincoln was assassinated on April 14, 1865, just as fighting was drawing to a close. He was replaced by President Andrew Johnson. Johnson vetoed numerous Radical Republican bills, he pardoned thousands of Confederate leaders, and he allowed Southern states to pass draconian Black Codesthat restricted the rights of freedmen. His actions outraged many Northerners and stoked fears that the Southern elite would regain its political power. Radical Republican candidates swept to power in the 1866 midterm elections, gaining large majorities in both houses of Congress.

Many argue that the confederacy and its ideals never truly died. The light touch, left many holding regressive ideals in places of power. They had not given up their ideals, they just couldn’t be a part of the group anymore.

In most cases the argument is somewhat moot. The most likely scenario is that my relationship (and most peoples relationship) with some random trump supporter that gets kicked in the nuts by trump will be the same as before, no relationship at all. In the rare situation that this person is someone you do plan to forge a relationship with (either net new or reestablishing some previous relationship) I think it is neither wise to “treat them like shit” nor “let them off the hook”

Instead it should be a careful assessment of what they actually believe. Do they still blame immigrants and trans people for everything that’s wrong in their life but just don’t like that trump fired then, then they can kindly go fuck themselves. They haven’t learned any lesson, they just don’t like that they had something bad happen to them. Sure give them a chance, don’t immediately piss all over them, but if the only problem they have is that it finally directly impacted them, they are no ally.

If it’s a catalyst for true and lasting change, sure nurture that.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Right, because telling people "they're special and nice and it's not their fault that the orange dictator is ruining the country" has historically never ever worked once.

[–] EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

You can point out the issue without being a dick to them.

Nobody has ever left the alt-right cult by being insulted and belittled, in fact that's how they usually get recruited in the cult.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

You know? Honestly, telling them they lost their job, house and country because they joined a political cult led by a spray-tanned \wish.com hitler wannabe, isn't really the "being an asshole" thing that you think it is, and more along the lines of just telling them to truth to their faces.

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

No, MAGAts revel in the misery they cause .. thay love "owning the libs" and literally want nothing else in life. Nothing. They are fueled by an insane level of hatred and cruelty. It is all they understand. When you point and laugh at them for the "face eating" ... they actually get it. MAGAts do not leave their cult, they just get displaced until the next cult that let's them be hateful racists comes around.

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 24 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

All my Trump neighbors are rental tenants so they get shuffled in and out every year by their landlords. A few MAGA banner fliers as well as a few families with small kids all got kicked out my neighborhood this last year for Sale signs to go up.

[–] smayonak@lemmy.world 17 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

They were tricked by a propaganda machine. They may have been willing participants but had they known everything they never would have voted against their own interests. Yet every country in the western hemisphere, South America, Africa, Asia, and well everywhere doesn't have anti propaganda laws. If you're rich you can buy influence in any neo liberal country. Why is that?

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 15 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

How do you construct anti-propaganda laws that can't be used by bad actors to silence dissent? Genuine question if you have an answer but I don't think anyone actually does. The only actual counter to propaganda is quality education, which is where the US has been failing dramatically.

[–] smayonak@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

So far all anti propaganda laws were passed in totalitarian states to suppress dissidents. But I think a good start would be to look at pre-existing limitations on free speech. Can you shout "fire" in a crowded theater just for funsies? No? Then we've already got a public safety caveat in our right to free speech. So you can't say something that will kill people IF IT IS A LIE. There are also time place and manner restrictions on free speech. So we agree there is a time and place where you can criticize the state. So we sort of believe that during public emergencies, such as during a pandemic, you cannot spread lies about the pandemic.

There are ways to prove lies.

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