It's long past time for Schumer and most of the timid OLD dems, to step aside. We've had enough of failing. We need to elect people that are capable of fighting back.
this post was submitted on 14 Mar 2025
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We're not going to give Donald Trump what he wants, so we're going to pass this spending bill that gives him everything he wants! That'll how 'im!
Lol Trump called Schumer a "Palestinian" (now a threat) and this fucker just rolls over.
Dodgy governments as per usual.
Schumer clearly never learned that appeasing Nazis is not the way to go! Or perhaps he's a nazi is disguise.
Warner and Kaine have both said they intend to vote no. Unfortunately there's no chance my congressional district is going to do anything other than give Trump carte blanche.
I called my senators in new mexico to vote no. And with senator lujan the clerk said he will be voting no. So hopefully more will follow.
Thank you for calling
Heinrich is also voting no
Trump will destroy America and blame democrats if we don't fully back Trump destroying America, including removing congressional power to block the destruction of America while it is done.
On blame, easy path is push for clean CR that will keep government open, or reopen, when house votes on it when they feel like coming back to work. GOP will be blamed for the shutdown.
DOGE is already tearing wiring out of the walls. Crazy to get weeks of "Half Department X has been fired and the budget has been slashed" articles only to hear Schumer take the blame in advance for further defunding.
I love how these conversations happen many times every session, but then campaign time comes and everyone calls me a Russian asset for reminding people of what the "Blue No Matter Who" mentality gets you.
This is the proper attitude for primaries, not general elections.
You're either with the oligarchs or you're with the terrorists
The time to have that conversation is before and during the primaries. After that, it's not a worthwhile conversation.
The message isn't the issue, your timing is.
LOL
What primaries? The Democrats invented superdelegates to subvert democracy in the primary process, and then argued in court in Florida that it was their right to do so when they were sued for it.
Good point. Better to do nothing then. Give up.
Or get more involved in the only party with a chance and change them from the inside?
No, that sounds like work. Forget it.
It is a good point, and I'm not advocating for doing nothing, just acknowledging that change via the Democrats is impossible. Unless you've been asleep for 40 years, you're well aware that real, meaningful change is impossible in this party duopoly, and nothing underscores that more than running a publicly brain-dead man and the entire "progressive" party apparatus lining up behind him in order to suit his fragile, stupid ego.
What I advocate for is doing good with one's own two hands, because that's always possible. Be willing to pick up dog shit even if it's not yours. When someone in your building asks for a favor, be generous with your time. When ICE comes knocking, and they will, find that maybe you have difficulty remembering things. (And if you really want to underscore how shitty the Democrats are, remember that Tom Homan was also Obama's guy.)
I agree. But my point is that the Democrats are the only tool we have at the moment within the government.
We have plenty of tools outside of the government, and you're 100% right that we should use those as well.
But let's not throw out the one tool we have inside the government. Let's improve it so it's useful.
That's the thing, we don't.
The Democrats in Washington do not give a fuck about you, me, our families, or anyone else. They exist to do performative things and make nice speeches, then go vote in a manner that can be charitably called conservative but more often enables fascism. For example, remember when they did their nice little stunt kneeling in Congress with their African wear? Those same Democrats linked up behind Biden when he wanted to militarize the police even more.
The only power you or I have is local unless you're willing to commit an extraordinary act of vigilantism or you're a billionaire. That's it.
So join local Democrat groups
Democrats blame progressives for their losses.
Do we have Democrats as a tool inside the government? Are you sure they aren't another of the oligarchs' tools?
It's both. And they're the most likely group that we could turn to our purposes.
A broken tool is no tool at all
I can tell you've never had to sweep or shovel with something when half the haft is gone. Or tear the lid off a garbage can because the mechanism to lift the lid stopped working.
That's what I've always had to work with when it comes to representatives in this country. It's cuz you and your neo liberal Democratic friends think the rest of us don't deserve working equipment. Only your Rich donors do.
Do you actually think the person you're replying to has a bunch of neoliberal Dem friends? Do you really believe they have rich donors?
I see this here on lemmy a lot and I'm sorry to tell you no one with the power to do anything is here so you're wasting your energy lecturing. But you got to feel smug and superior so I guess that's something.
It doesn't matter whether they do personally, what matters is that they're carrying the flag for those that do. He believes what they believe. He does what they tell them. What difference is it to me if he's just a dupe or not? He believes as you can very clearly see to his reply to that comment by the way, that the working class exists to serve the interest of the neoliberals elites. He very clearly said it that it's our job to get in line and vote regardless of what they do for us. That ideology should just be allowed to spread without challenge? Who does that serve except the neoliberal elite?
/c/im14andthisisdeep
Liberals are, for all their talk, in a Stockholm Syndrome kind of love with the DNC. BlueMAGA is some combination of a death cult and an abusive relationship.
BlueMAGA sounds like weak bothsidesism, come up with some real criticism
I did.
Liberals are, for all their talk, in a Stockholm Syndrome kind of love with the DNC.
It is very culty.
no one is this meek. this is collusion. they're complicit, and it's not by accident. they've always been this way.
Democratic politicians suck up Super PAC money the same as Republicans. It's just that Republicans just do other forms of corruption out in the open because they know their voters are too stupid to notice.
Trump scamming people with memecoin currency, MAGA doesn't care.
Bingo
I've often been a defender of Democrats being realistic, but Schumer is on some bullshit here.
It’s unclear what, if anything, Schumer got in return for his decision to allow the House bill to proceed
Says it all right there. The Republican bill was just a list of laughably insane things they knew Democrats would oppose so they could blame the shutdown on them. It actually cuts funding of DC's local budget forcing them to fire teachers and even cops. Again, nothing to do with the federal government. It just grabs power from a local government and says that they can't use their own local tax revenues to educate kids and fight crime. It's complete rabid insanity that has no point other than to bully a blue city. And Schumer's like "Sure, ok. whatever."
The budget also cuts medicare and medicaid by some pretty substantial amounts, among many other government programs.
This is the CR. This allows for more time to work on that budget... which only needs 51 votes because of reconciliation.
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It's because the Moderates (aka. Republicans in blue suits) control the party and it's been this way for far too long.
It's the same reason Nancy Pelosi kept stepping on AOC's toes and even worked to keep her out of key committee positions, despite her being popular with a lot of Democratic voters.
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Yeah, they're not meek or cowards.
They bravely stand up to their own base.
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Call your senators, they can still block this despite Schumers push. The vote is tomorrow. If all republican vote for it, they need 7 dems. 8 with Rand Paul who has said he'll vote no. (Republicans are not using reconciliation so it needs the the filibuster)
Many senate dems are publicly coming out against voting for cloture (meaning they won't vote to let it get through the filibuster). As of what I last read, around ~~11~~ 10 dems are thought to potentially vote to let it pass filibuster. Most of those are still not sure. We only need a handful more of those to become noes and it will get blocked. Some yeses have flipped to noes because of public pressure. We cannot let up now
Link to find direct numbers your senators
https://www.senate.gov/senators/senators-contact.htm
Or call the capitol switch board (202) 224-3121
House dems are publicly telling the senate not to do this (and it's not just AOC on this - it's quite a few of them). Earlier read that 7 Dem state AGs are saying the same. Federal worker unions are telling senate dems not do this. Keep the pressure up
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