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The Democratic Party is once again in the wilderness. Donald Trump won not only the presidential election but the popular vote. The scale of short-term and long-term harm that is about to be unleashed on our communities, our country, and our planet is genuinely difficult to comprehend. To work our way out of this hell, it should be clear that Democrats need to chart a new path.

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[–] pcalau12i@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

I always think articles like this are incredibly stupid, honestly. Political parties exist to push a particular ideology, not to win elections. If the communist party abandoned communism and became a neonazi party to win the election, and they did succeed in winning, did the communist party really "win"? Not really. If you have to abandon your ideology to win then you did not win.

It's pretty rare for parties to actually abandon their ideology like that. The job of a political party is not to merely win, but to convince the population that their ideology is superior so people will back them. They want to win, yes, but under the conditions that they have won because the people back their message so that they can implement it.

This is why I always find it incredibly stupid when I see all these articles and progressive political commentators saying that the Democrats are a stupid party for not shifting their rhetoric to be more pro-working class, to be anti-imperialist, etc. THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT A WORKING CLASS PARTY. It would in fact be incredibly stupid for them to shift to be more left because doing so would abandon their values. The Democrats' values are billionaires, free market capitalism, and imperialism. These are not "stupid" decisions they're making for supporting these things, THESE ARE THE FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS OF THE PARTY.

In normal countries if you dislike a party's ideology, you support a different party. But Americans have this weird fantasy that Democrats should just be "reasonable" and entirely abandon their core values to back their own values, and so they refuse to ever back a different party because of this ridiculous delusion. Whenever the Democrats fail to adopt working-class values, they run these stupid headlines saying the Democrats are being "unreasonable" or "stupid" or have "bad strategy" or are "incompetents" or whatever and "just don't want to fight."

Literally none of that is true. The Democrats are extremely fierce fighters when it comes to defending imperialism and the freedoms of billionaires. They aren't fighting for your values because those are not their values, and so you should back a different party.

[–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fuck the Democrats. They are what got us in this mess.

[–] FukDAgop@lemmy.ml -5 points 19 hours ago

go lick windows, the Republican are communists and Democrats Republicans, there is no true Democrats, it's a lesser of 2 fuckin evil and both should be extinct, fuck your money

[–] That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

Dems are still out in the woods, looking for their spine. They lost it decades ago.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 day ago
[–] waterbird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago

dems can‘t and won‘t. they serve the ruling class as well. we have to stop pretending they are on our side, and start taking care of ourselves.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No. Bernie neutering activist energy by re-directing it back into the party is exactly how we got here.

He’s also advocating for continuing to arm right-wing extremists, and has turned into a warhawk. Fuck Bernie.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I know he was late to condemning Israel, but I thought he had gotten on board. Or is this about something else?

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

He’s demanding we continue arming the far-right extremists in the Ukraine proxy war.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not the path (although that could use a change), it's the candidates. I didn't have as much of a problem with Harris as the lot of you, but I acknowledge the problems with Harris. They might have been solved if she had a full primary to prove herself out first, but now we'll never know.

Democrats need to get past the "next one up" mentality and look for a candidate that will resonate with these voters, even if that person hasn't put in the time and lines up all the donors as the "next one up". (Looking at you, Gavin....)

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If there had been a primary she wouldn't have had a chance at winning. They didn't have one specifically because of that fact.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 18 hours ago

If there had been a primary, then Bernie might've run, and he probably would've won the nomination this time. The DNC couldn't let that happen.