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Firefox maker Mozilla deleted a promise to never sell its users' personal data and is trying to assure worried users that its approach to privacy hasn't fundamentally changed. Until recently, a Firefox FAQ promised that the browser maker never has and never will sell its users' personal data. An archived version from January 30 says:

Does Firefox sell your personal data?

Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That's a promise.

That promise is removed from the current version. There's also a notable change in a data privacy FAQ that used to say, "Mozilla doesn't sell data about you, and we don't buy data about you."

The data privacy FAQ now explains that Mozilla is no longer making blanket promises about not selling data because some legal jurisdictions define "sale" in a very broad way:

Mozilla doesn't sell data about you (in the way that most people think about "selling data"), and we don't buy data about you. Since we strive for transparency, and the LEGAL definition of "sale of data" is extremely broad in some places, we've had to step back from making the definitive statements you know and love. We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners (which we need to do to make Firefox commercially viable) is stripped of any identifying information, or shared only in the aggregate, or is put through our privacy preserving technologies (like OHTTP).

Mozilla didn't say which legal jurisdictions have these broad definitions.

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[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 2 points 33 minutes ago (1 children)

Yup I'll be sticking with Firefox forks.. Unfortunately i have to keep a chrome install around because i can't get alternative browsers to do redirects for PayPal

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 29 minutes ago* (last edited 29 minutes ago) (1 children)

Have you tried "un-googled chromium"? Should work pretty much the same as regular chromium in that regard...

Or even just a good old fashioned user agent switcher?

[–] TuxEnthusiast@sopuli.xyz 2 points 24 minutes ago

+1 for agent switcher

[–] zecg@lemmy.world 26 points 2 hours ago

We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners (which we need to do to make Firefox commercially viable) is stripped of any identifying information, or shared only in the aggregate,

Fuck off Mozilla. Maybe don't pay CEOs millions and don't force things like Pocket and LLMs on users if you want to be commercially viable, I'd gladly pay for Firefox that doesn't make me dodge new features and services. But it would be a donation towards development of a browser that is commons, since you have no product to sell, only GPL'd code that's mine as much as yours.

You have NO fucking leverage, Firefox is better than Chrome, but there's projects that will gladly repackage your code with no telemetry whatsoever for any platform while you're brainstorming just the right amount of monetization to prevent the frog from jumping.

It's kind of sad I don't use Chrome and therefore never think of it, while I like and use Firefox and am therefore constantly at odds with Mozilla.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 13 points 2 hours ago

I mean you could argue that them defaulting to Google search is already them selling your data. Google definitely pay them for that.

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 5 points 2 hours ago

Which jurisdictions? What kind of broad way? Give one example please. I dare you.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 23 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

This is why I am an advocate for publicly-funded Internet, like how people fund NPR and BBC.

I don't blame Firefox because at the end of the day, they are still a business and need to cover the operating cost. I blame the system that we're in and the elites will tell you there is no other alternative.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

and the elites will tell you there is no other alternative

That's like blaming wolves for eating you when it's winter, they are hungry and you are in the forest

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

We are still in a capitalistic. Money still prevails.

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[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

please pay me if you want to sell my data. At the end of the day I am a business and need to cover operating cost.

Is there an open source tool to generate fake user activity data for Firefox to consume?

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 74 points 6 hours ago (10 children)

current acting CEO of Mozilla is Laura Chambers. An Australian native and has quite...interesting work history.

1000001226

It's weird isn't it? how these same names keep coming up again and again...

Ebay, Paypal, Airbnb.

she would have likely worked with Thiel and Musk during her time there. I wonder if there's any lingering commitment there?

[–] Kurroth@lemmy.world 12 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

As an Australian.Do not trust us when it comes to privacy, security especially in tech or the digital space.

We are not a nation descendant of 'convicts' but of prison guards and other colonial boot lickers.

We are US lite or US 10years ago or maybe their tearing ground. Can't figure it out.

[–] Fashim@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago

Yeah don't trust us, we've gutted all forms of STEM that aren't directly related to digging shit out of the ground for Gina Rinehart and co

Serious intellectual brain drain in this country now, we really are the US 10 years ago, hopefully the US explodes enough to stop all our idiots blindly following their jingoism to our doom

[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago

McKinsey is honestly scarier. They may not be a household name like the others, but look them up. They are frightening.

[–] goldenquetzal@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago

Glad you shared this. I hate to be That Tin Foil Hat Person but it seems really convenient that a Musk and Thiel tied CEO happens to take over the one browser base that isn't Chromium just before people start moving to it for privacy in escalating numbers.

[–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 hours ago

Man, this is very disappointed news. Thanks though, good to know.

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[–] Solventbubbles@lemmy.world 17 points 6 hours ago (7 children)

Son of a bitch I just got back into Firefox.

[–] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 22 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Get in loser, we’re going to librewolf apparently. Fuck me I’ve reached the age of seeing all the things I like die. I don’t even remember a time I didn’t use Firefox. God damn it

[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Icecat's good too. In fact in some ways, eg. cutting Sync out entirely where LibreWolf disables it by default but lets you enable it if desired, it's even better than LibreWolf.

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