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In every election “left-leaning” neoliberals always try to guilt-trip Marxists into voting for their candidates with the usual schpiel: “Your party doesn't have enough votes to win. You are just letting conservatives win”. What do you tell these people?

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[–] StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I tell them bluntly that only a couple dems have won my vote in the past decade, when they protest I bring up

Police reform (Biden: "fund the police")

Abortion (Obama promised to enshrine it in law, 111th congress dems had a supermajority, did nothing)

Supreme Court seats (at any point when the dems had the majority they could have forced it, instead we have today's bullshit)

Formerly student debt forgiveness (Bidens limp attemps have satisfied most of my lib friends)

Federal Marijuana Legalization (rescheduling Marijuana can be done any day by the president*)

Foreign policy failures (Iraq [Bush but dems supported], Libiya, Syria, Bolivia [Trump but dems supported], Yemen, Cuba)

Drone strikes/Whistleblowers

Capitulation towards republican tax ratcheting

General tendency towards bipartisanship, thereby stopping actual reform (looking at you ACA)

[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

They lied about ending concentration camps for migrants and I will absolutely never vote for a Democrat again because of that

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"I won't vote for a rapist" is a good one

[–] CyberGhost@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

In this case Biden (Tara Reade)

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Tell them if they want my vote they can have it by just seriously embracing two (only two) of the following:

Drug legalization
Vacancy control
Massive increase in funding non-profit housing
Massive increase in train infrastructure
Free public transit
Significant reduction in military budget
Withdraw from NATO
End fossil fuel subsidies
China-style expansion of solar and wind farming
House the homeless in permanent housing
Criminalize corporate lobbying
Complete provision of free health care for all including mental health and dentistry
Debt jubilee
Climate reparations to global south counties

[–] T34@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

From the W. E. B. Du Bois article:

In 1956, I shall not go to the polls. I have not registered. I believe that democracy has so far disappeared in the United States that no “two evils” exist. There is but one evil party with two names, and it will be elected despite all I can do or say. There is no third party. On the Presidential ballot in a few states (seventeen in 1952), a “Socialist” Party will appear. Few will hear its appeal because it will have almost no opportunity to take part in the campaign and explain its platform. If a voter organizes or advocates a real third-party movement, he may be accused of seeking to overthrow this government by “force and violence.”

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The present Administration is carrying on the greatest preparation for war in the history of mankind. Stevenson promises to maintain or increase this effort. ... The “other” party has surrendered all party differences in foreign affairs, and foreign affairs are our most important affairs today and take most of our taxes.

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Is the refusal to vote in this phony election a counsel of despair? No, it is dogged hope. It is hope that if twenty-five million voters refrain from voting in 1956 because of their own accord and not because of a sly wink from Khrushchev, this might make the American people ask how much longer this dumb farce can proceed without even a whimper of protest.

[–] ReadFanon@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

"Your side isn't entitled to my vote. If your side wants my vote, they have to earn it."

[–] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago

I have friends all over the world, so the takes tend to vary a lot. Most of my uni friends were from China and have since moved back there, we tend to have pretty similiar politics. I live in Japan now and discussing who you are voting for would be a rarity, I don't even really know how my partner votes. I don't think I have ever met a single person in the country who was excited to vote for a LDP candidate.

I do have friends in the states still, who tend to be the most vocal about this kind of thing. Most that I would truly consider a friend over there is fairly leftist. A few of the more liberal ones grudgingly vote Democrat, but none of them are excited about it or would try to convince me to do the same.

I have acquantances who are shitlibs and are excited about their purple candidate of choice, but it's not really worth getting into it over a guy I last saw in person five years ago.