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Why does it feel that the evil sides globally are winning. Even evil people are winning. Why?

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[–] match@pawb.social 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

when evil is winning on your nation's scale it feels like it's winning globally. is evil winning in rojava? in southeast asia? is evil winning in the spanish speaking world?

for that matter, what's going on at your state level, or at your city level?

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

is evil winning in rojava? in southeast asia? is evil winning in the spanish speaking world? for that matter, what’s going on at your state level, or at your city level?

Yes.

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[–] 7dev7random7@suppo.fi 24 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I just talked to my superior about the most urgent thing EU countries are facing currently. I should add that he is 100% disabled but studied in CS and reads everything which is interesting to him and his world view.

When I said that social media dictates the discussions and the media, we agreed on the thought after a short period.

And if we could solve this issue we mostlikely would get awarded a noble price.

What I am trying to say: Social media is run by - at least - flawed people. And used by the evil ones to their maximum, putting the honest Ones into a position to explain.

We are loosing our discourse, we are mixing our cultures - or we split at our ethics.

Social media is a cancer with no current treatment. Civilians will be in favor of social media since it also benefits society directly. But we are diminishing other things with it.

Maybe there will be one more brilliant mind educated who may aid us in these times.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The Algorithm needs to be regulated. (Meaning: Recommendation algorithms should be monitored to make sure that they're not 'discovering' that they can manipulate people with fear, anger and other base negative emotions.)

We already know that the most motivating things for humans is fear and anger/outrage. We also know that these are not healthy emotions for the individual or for society and yet we allow social media algorithms to to maximize engagement using fear and anger.

In addition, it is very hard to craft a message that is both appealing and true. It is much easier to craft a message that is appealing if you can get rid of the Truth constraint.

These are probably the two core issues that are causing us the most strife. Unthinking recommendation algorithms have identified content that stokes base emotions like fear and anger as being the ones that generate the most 'engagement'; and people, seeking to exploit these algorithms for personal gain (advertisers, political actors, etc), craft messages to maximize their engagement (anger/outrage, fear) while ignoring reality/truth/facts because reality is too hard of a constraint.

The flip side of this is that you see people, who practically live on social media, start to unconsciously adopt the same messaging style because it works even better as people become attuned to the fear and outrage.

So, now you have a feedback loop of people being conditioned by algorithms to be maximally outrageous and those masses of people spontaneously generating memes and social connections that reinforce outrage and fear.

This poison is now spreading into our social institutions and governments. Facts matter less than saying things that are outrageous and valuing the truth is obviously a silly proposition. After all, it's plainly obvious that it is much harder to get upvotes if you care about the truth...

Try it, go to a community that matches your political leanings and try to correct misinformation. If you're not banned you will be buried in downvotes because people don't value the truth as much as they value an entertaining lie.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

IMHO, It's the algorithm that's the real devil.

For a long time, it was us against the bots and the companies. But we no longer know what's being given to us because it matches versus what's being given to us because they're paying for it to be seen.

The danger is the algorithm gives us a steady stream of what we appear to want. It's serotonin. Then it's weaponized. There's no appreciable difference between the ads, the propaganda, the creators honest content and the creators paid content. We're getting echo chambers of what we want and paid advertisements to sure that up.

People see it on Facebook and TikTok and just take it as read that what's being presented is truth. Even the ones that are savvy to bias end up getting swept along with the tide.

The only way to stop this is to demand disinformation and fact-checking. But instead of that, everyone seems to be hell-bent on knocking out private conversation where we might be able to communicate and are being forced to rely solely on whatever the algorithm allows us.

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[–] conicalscientist@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The world has been in a gigantic psychological experiment.

[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

My opinion on this generally boils down to that the system has been set up to reward evil/antisocial behavior, and this part of the system is so entrenched and well established and organized that it has not been effectively and completely toppled or eradicated in so long, it has been able to consolidate power and resources to a point where very few extremely evil people are personally in charge of so much of what happens that it seeps into everything. Actually "seeps" is the wrong word, it's injected into everything. It's like has been said many times in recent memory, the cruelty is the point.

For a simplified example, evil executives reward evil behavior by their managers, who in turn punish their employees, who lose control of so much of their lives to these companies and managers that they end up hurting their families and friends out of confusion and anger and other complex emotional reactions, and harm is perpetuated in every area of life.

It's self sustaining, and even worse it replicates itself. In some ways I think of these systems as viruses. Also as cults. We all buy in to some degree.

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[–] CompleteUnknown@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

All that is required for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

[–] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Evil is willing to lie, cheat, steal, and kill to win. As long as good keeps fighting with one hand tied behind its back, evil will keep gaining ground.

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[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

A ruling class of ultra wealthy lording over the vast majority of people who are left with crumbs is a common sign that an empire is in decline. With the US having more global influence than any previous empire, the whole world will be feeling the effects in one way or another.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Evil use to hide - but through Trump's no filter twitter postings, Musk's self-aggrandizing incompetence, and Russia's realization that they no longer have to hide their evil-doing, a lot of the evil these days is just out in the open.

Imagine a world where a competent president is hiding behind close doors planning a way to defund USAID and starve millions of people. Planning behind close doors cutting medicare by 1 trillion dollars, killing thousands of Americans, and using that money to fund a trillion dollar tax break for the mega rich. You wouldn't know any of that is happening.

Now it is front page news, and people are reacting by boycotting Amazon for one day on the 28th.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Evil use to hide

You should check out the history of the USA some time.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You are more informed in how shitty the world have always been.

Also the decades from the 90s to the 10s were probably a small golden age that has already ended.

[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 2 days ago

I study history a lot, also I’m older so I have the perspective of two or three generations now.

Things have normally been not the idealized concept of Disney princess goodness in government. Evil shits normally have been doing stuff for as long as civilization has existed. So all this is not new.

What is new, and makes this newsworthy, is the masks have fallen off. Those masks and idealized fantasy much of the population indulges in took decades, generations to build up. In many ways this is a very rude culture shock.

The other reason this is important now is the climate is rapidly collapsing while the trade systems have reached unprecedented complexity. So a group of particularly thuggish people rising to power in several nations at once, as they tend to do with regularity. May have epic and disastrous consequences! It’s a really bad time for this to happen

[–] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 57 points 2 days ago

Have you ever cheated at a game, cut corners on work or purposefully did something unfair to get better from it yourself?

Yeah it's much easier to win without any pesky ethics or a strong moral compass.

Good folks have been struggling uphill since the Ancient Greeks as long as there are folks trying to win with a different rule book.

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago

But you know what evil is also good for??

MERCHANDISING! MERCHANDISING!!

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[–] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 6 points 1 day ago

Wealth inequality caused by all the things mentioned here and more. It allows the wealthy to control narrative that is fed to the masses, control the amount of free time people have to think and control how much pressure is placed on your lives.

The free thinking world is gone.

But the '3 meals away from a revolution' is always true and the rich will always get more greedy. When everyone no longer has the ability to free themselves, that's when a lot of heads will roll.

[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 2 days ago

My theory is "shallow thinking" and "busy-ness". We are prone to mental and expedient shortcuts which seem benign at the small scale in which we interact, but when aggregated become something terrible... and on the exceedingly rare chance that we might hear an actual solution, it either sounds so foreign to us that we cannot consider it, or so hopeless a fight that the super-majority of people do not push back.

Consider how slippery the slope is for even one aspect (diffuse responsibility):

  • Alice needs help
  • Bob sees that Alice needs help
  • Bob excuses himself from being the one to help (not prepared, wasn't expecting, other obligations, could be a trap, others are better suited to help, the government ought to help)
  • Bob excuses himself from being the one to get help (I don't have the number handy, someone else will call, she probably already called someone for help)

Conceptually, this is fine if it is ONLY "Bob", but the deceptive part is how finite the procedural gap is between Bob being one person and it literally being everyone.... thus Alice gets no help.

[–] anzo@programming.dev 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Just an hour ago I heard EmiliaRoig.com talking on the EuropeansPodcast.com (minute 28) and she said something that at first sounded naïve to me. But in hindsight, it may be true.

She said that "times are changing for the better (i.e. referring to the last 10 years or more.) and what we are seeing nowadays is just a shout of despair to that, being done by right-wing extremists, and is loud."

I can recommend all that she said afterwards, be warned: talks fast ;p

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