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China’s stunning new campaign to turn the world against Taiwan (www.economist.com)

submitted 2 weeks ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

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Summary

China is gaining global support for its claim over Taiwan, with 70 countries now endorsing its sovereignty and unification efforts—many omitting calls for peaceful resolution.

This shift follows China’s diplomatic push targeting the Global South, leveraging economic ties through infrastructure projects.

China looks to preempt Western sanctions in a Taiwan conflict by securing international legitimacy. Meanwhile, the U.S. and allies struggle to counter China’s influence.

Trump's return signals a firmer stance, but China’s diplomatic momentum complicates efforts to rally support against aggression.

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[–] tal@lemmy.today 59 points 2 weeks ago

This shift follows China’s diplomatic push targeting the Global South

Trump’s return signals a firmer stance

Trump cutting USAID probably isn't helping if the metric here is "who are countries in the Global South more likely to pay attention to".

[–] Krompus@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

TAIWAN #1

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

China #4!

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Apparently TSCM will raise prices on all chips/customers by a baseline 15% in order to offset tarrif costs in America.

Invade away China. Time to take the capitalist class down a notch.

/s in case it's needed.

[–] x3x3@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

Paywall

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago

Taiwan and mainland China were never unified to begin with.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

So with the new plants coming online in the US, how much of the world's chips does Taiwan make?

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 36 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

All of them.

The US plants may be coming online but it will still be years before they're at production capacity, and they'll probably never have all of the same production capabilities. The chip fabrication lines in Taiwan have been decades in development and growth.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also even if we could make all of the chips, Taiwan still holds almost all the other incidental processes (especially packaging) that most advanced chip designs require these days.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 9 points 1 week ago

Yeah, it's more than just the fabrication machines, it's a massive logistics network.

[+] commander@lemmings.world -6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The chip fabrication lines in Taiwan have been decades in development and growth.

Decades the US can learn from to catch up quicker and eventually eclipse them.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

We literally eliminated the Department of Education.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Maybe. Some of the older fabrication is still in heavy production use (e.g. 28nm, 16nm, 7nm):

These produce a lot of the chips that go into everything electronic, things like bus controllers and timing ICs, which are needed in higher volumes than CPUs and GPUs. But I kind of doubt the older fab technology will be a priority to build in the new facility.

TSMC isn't just a single factory production line that gets upgraded to the latest and greatest every year. It's a collection of many fabrication technologies that has grown and developed organically over time. While it will be helpful to build a new facility with the benefit of lessons learned in Taiwan, it will not be possible to completely replicate what that original facility is.

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It’s wild how much stuff is manufactured on processes considered obsolete for high end cpu/gpu production

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The Z80 (which was the core processor of the TI-8x calculators) was only just discontinued last year. Lots of old chip designs find uses in embedded devices and consumer electronics.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

AFAIK the American plants use inputs from Taiwan. I don't know what inputs exactly.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 1 points 1 week ago

Idiots. Do they realize how massively popular jackie chan was before he got to close to them. I wonder how much was lost with hong kong.

[+] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name -28 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What allies? Not sure what motivation Europeans have to defend Taiwan when we're already dying in a war against Russia with no help from the US.

Taiwan is a sovereign, democratic nation, but the PRC is more of an ally to the EU than Trump's America right now.

[–] gonzo-rand19@moist.catsweat.com 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You read:

This shift follows China’s diplomatic push targeting the Global South

And you somehow thought they were talking about Europe?

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 1 points 1 week ago

From the text:

Meanwhile, the U.S. and allies struggle to counter China’s influence.

What allies? There are some regional actors in Asia opposed to the PRC's imperialism, but the list of potential allies has gone down by a lot with Trump's actions.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago

You read:

the world

And somehow thought that the opinions of some of the most stable and respected nations in the world don't matter?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Sorry... who's dying in a war against Russia? Taiwan or Europeans? Because I'm pretty sure unless you mean the Europeans specifically in Ukraine, it's neither.