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[–] GlueBear@lemmygrad.ml 47 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Some people are calling trump the real harm reduction candidate xi pointing at the screen

That's assuming this deal goes through and the ceasefire isn't violated by the entity.

Forgive me for being pessimistic, but I highly doubt that the entity will follow through with this ceasefire. That's also assuming the ceasefire is permanent, which I also doubt.

Basically I wouldn't be celebrating this now. It's best to wait and see where this actually goes.

[–] trashxeos@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 5 months ago

Hope for the best, plan for the worst. We can be hopeful that this is a good deal that won't immediately be violated but we definitely need to be ready for this to go south immediately and be violated by Isntreal.

[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

My personal theories are

  1. This is a show to be played to make Trump look good. At the very least he will take credit. Hiss brainless supporters will lose attention pretty quick then the genocide starts back up and they are too angry about gay, black, Chinese, etc. people existing to care about it.

  2. The US is overtaxed and need to pull back so it can focus on South America with the recent stuff about Venezuela and Nicaragua. They don't have the ability to do both that and Israel. Ukraine is already yesterday's news to them at this point so something else has to go.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 22 points 5 months ago

I feel like it's the latter and Trump may want to either focus on Latin America or Asia to get to China.

Trump obviously doesn't give a shit about Palestinians but the arms/cash flow towards the Zionists is probably hampering other plans.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 5 months ago

i feel like you nailed it, its all just a performance to make trump look good. The zionists will keep bombing and shooting Palestinians indiscriminately but media won't be reporting anything.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 21 points 5 months ago

It'll definitely at some point, sooner or later, be violated by the Zionist entity.

But this is still far more than what Biden was able or cared to do.

[–] midas@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 5 months ago

While I have absolutely no trust that Israel will stop killing civilians in the long run, I think this should still be taken as good news. From the point of view of palestinians in Gaza, the mass killings will stop (at least for a while), which is an excellent start and must happen at some point if they are to survive. Furthermore, I think it's possible that more and more news will come out of Gaza and it will be publicly known how many people Israel has killed (probably several hundred thousands), which will even further destroy Israel's reputation among the general public in the west.

[–] Hagels_Bagels@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Practical procedures and mechanisms to implement the Agreement for the exchange of Israeli hostages and Palestinian Prisoners and the return to a sustainable calm which would achieve a permanent ceasefire between the two sides

  1. Stage two preparations:

The parties and the mediators' objective is to achieve a final consensus to implement the May 27 2024 Agreement on the exchange of hostages and prisoners and return to a sustainable calm which would achieve a permanent ceasefire between the Parties.

All procedures in the first stage will continue in stage 2 so long as the negotiations of the conditions of implementing stage 2 are ongoing and the guarantors of this Agreement shall work to ensure that negotiations continue until an agreement is reached.

  1. Israeli forces withdrawal:

Withdrawal of Israeli forces eastwards from densely populated areas along the borders of the Gaza strip, including Wadi Gaza (Netzarim axis and Kuwait roundabout).

The Israeli forces will be deployed in a perimeter (700) metres with an exception at 5 localised points to be increased no more than (400) additional meters that the Israeli side will determine, south and west of the border, and based on the maps agreed upon by both sides which accompany the agreement.

  1. Prisoner Exchange:

a. The 9 ill and wounded from the list of 33 will be released in exchange for the release of 110 Palestinian prisoners with life sentences.

b. Israel will release 1000 Gazan detainees from 8 October 2023 that were not involved in 7 October 2023

c. The Elderly (men over 50) from the list of 33 will be released in exchange for an exchange key of 1:3 life sentences + 1:27 other sentences.

d. Ebra Mangesto and Hesham el-Sayed - will be released according to an exchange key of 1:30, as well as 47 Shalit prisoners.

e. A number of Palestinian prisoners will be released abroad or in Gaza based on lists agreed upon between both sides.

  1. Philadelphi corridor:

a. The Israeli side will gradually reduce the forces in the corridor area during stage 1 based on the accompanying maps and the agreement between both sides.

b. After the last hostage release of stage one, on day 42, the Israeli forces will begin their withdrawal and complete it no later than day 50.

  1. Rafah Border Crossing:

a. The Rafah crossing will be ready for the transfer of civilians and for the wounded after the release of all women (civilian and soldiers). Israel will work toward the readiness of the crossing as soon as the agreement is signed.

b. Israeli forces will redeploy around the Rafah Crossing according to the attached maps.

c. 50 wounded military individuals will be allowed to cross daily accompanied by (3) individuals. Each individual crossing will require Israeli and Egyptian approval.

d. The crossing will be operated based on the August 2024 discussions with Egypt.

  1. Exit of ill and wounded civilians:

a. All ill and wounded Palestinian civilians will be allowed to cross via Rafah border crossing, according to section 12 in the 27 May 2024 agreement.

  1. Return of unarmed internally displaced (Netzarim Corridor):

a. The return is agreed based on the 27 May 2024 agreement section 3-a and 3-b.

b. On day 7, the internally displaced pedestrians will be allowed to return north, without carrying arms and without inspection via Rashid street. On day 22, they will be allowed to return north from the Salahudin street as well, without inspection.

C. On day 7, vehicles and any non-pedestrian traffic will be allowed to return north of Netzarim corridor after vehicle inspection which will be performed by a private company which will be determined by the mediators in sync with the Israeli side, based on an agreed upon mechanism.

  1. Humanitarian aid protocol:

a. Humanitarian aid procedures under the agreement will be done subject to the humanitarian protocol agreed upon under the supervision of the mediators.

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 5 months ago

Lets hope some good comes of this but I am 99% sure isisrael will break it in the first days.

[–] MidWestKhagan@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My gut says something’s off. There had to be a back room deal.

[–] Stizzah@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 5 months ago

Of course, Israel is just taking a break to please Trump. After recovering the hostages the USA will send more weapons to resume the genocide.

[–] ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 5 months ago

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2025/1/16/live-celebrations-in-gaza-as-israel-hamas-reach-ceasefire-deal

Shitinayu just delayed the ceasefire vote and said he wont be withdrawing troops from the egypt border.

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 5 months ago

I think Trump pushed for this to prove to dem voters that the dems were lying when they said they were "working tirelessly for a ceasefire." This makes all the "Vote for genocide or trump will genocide harder" people look like idiots. He isn't even in office and he is doing without barely trying what the dems were "unable" to do.

I dont think Trump and his team will even say all this in as many words. They'll just let these thoughts simmer in the back of peoples minds inception style.

Who ever is the architect of this plan is a shrewd operator and I'm bit scared because they are not on our side.

[–] big_spoon@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 5 months ago

some kind of pause of being slaughtered is good for palestinians...but i shouldn't advice having high hopes. zionists stil have an unquenchable bloodthirst