While I don't condone DDoS attacks, the only reason for D4 to be online-only is monetization IMO: Blizzard wants to sell cosmetics, so people have to see other people wearing them. There is little gameplay benefit from being an MMO-lite.
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Probably all sorts of datamining regarding the way people play also. Can't do that so easily if people are playing offline.
Brilliant insight. They probably are tracking metrics on what will encourage people to buy stuff the most too
Activision owns patents on the following:
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A system that tracks what store items you might be interested in, and places you in matches with high-skilled players who own that item, making you associate the item with high skill
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A system that places you against lower-skilled opponents immediately after you bought an item, making you associate making a purchase with being better.
From here to "they want you to look at other players and how expensive their shit is" is only one step. Honestly at this point I'm even surprised they're not faking it entirely, making other players just happen to be wearing expensive skins on your screen even if the actual account hasn't bought that. It's not like you can check anyway.
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I experienced this first hand playing wow. The team will straight up send out email surveys asking if players would be willing to pay x for y service with different people getting different prices. They calculate these things to extract as much money from the dedicated fans as possible. I went back to playing the private servers.
I came to the same conclusion as you: why would people buy their stuff if they could just run an unlocker script or edit a config file to give that stuff to them? It's basically malicious DRM
All DRM is malicious, and DRM is why not to buy. Plenty of other games that you can buy and also own.
This one is hard for me to have an opinion on.
Loot rolls need to be controlled by the server, or else people will just exploit all that stuff.
Diablo doesn't have a lot of mechanics that really need players to interact with each other, but games like that and WOW are entirely based around gear grind. All accomplishment requires players to have a level playing field or players just won't want to play. It's just wierd like that.
If people want an offline game, they should buy an offline game. It's not that smart to buy an always-online game and then complain about it.
I don't know anything about the most recent games, but if it's anything like D1 and D2, a huge part of the game is single player. So what if someone wants to cheat their way through the game? It's not affecting other players and you get to enjoy the game the way you want to.
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That was probably the intention of the DDoS attack. Screw always-online singleplayer games.
Do you know if there's any statement or if it's known who did this?
I'm a bit wary of their DDoS claims. This happened during their Battle.net sale (which would increase traffic) and during the outage their CS was telling people to try multiple times (which is a great way to hammer the servers).
It's likely they just couldn't handle the load, or ran into the thundering herd problem, and just claimed ddos because they didn't know better.
I actually bought Diablo 4 during the downtime, and refunded it the next day when their support page was back up.
I find their claim of DDoS a bit dubious, and it's not like there aren't playbooks against DDoS. A 12 hour outage is insane either way.
Even if it was a DDoS, they're the ones that decided to make the game vulnerable to such attacks in the first place. Even if they had valid reasons (which I find suspect), actions have consequences.
Online requirement for single player content is insane.
It’s a dealbreaker for me, personally. I just won’t buy a game like that, no matter how much I want to play it.
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Forced online is literally the only reason my husband and I didn't buy this game. We can't be the only ones and they're definitely missing out on a good chunk of money
That's why I don't buy a bilzzard game until like 6-12 months after. its cheaper and actually finished. D3 launch was a fuckfest too.
People are still buying games from Blizzard? It's like everybody forgot what a terrible company it is.
This sadly works for people these days.
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Forced online is literally the only reason my husband and I didn't buy this game. We can't be the only ones and they're definitely missing out on a good chunk of money
If you haven't tried it, I highly recommend Grim Dawn.
I'm not exactly a fan of forced online games, but I decided a long time ago that any game that I couldn't download the server for wasn't worth 10¢ let alone how ever much they charge for it
This has never been a problem for Path Of Exile, but that is free to play.
I quit everything Blizzard after Starcraft 2, that game had so much down time, and although it did have an offline option, you couldn't get new technologies as rewards in the campaign, when servers were down. Making it kind of redundant to have the offline mode IMO.
You can call it a boycott, but a company gone bad, rarely turns back to good again.
Fool me once and all that.
Blizzard died for me when they started killing Hearthstone. I haven't regretted it since.
Blizzard people are experts at ruining amazing games.
Blizzard died for me when Activision bought them and they became another victim to capitalism.
How do you know that no one who has played PoE has needed/wanted offline mode?
Personally I don't play PoE because of their policy on respeccing. An offline mode would likely make it possible for me to bypass that with mods.
Speaking of mods D2 had awesome ones so it's sad 3, 4 & PoE are so locked down with the online mode to prevent this.
I don't, but I have never seen anyone complain about it. I am but one voice is this world, though.
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but if they did that, how would they try and tempt you into buying Mtx by showing other whales with all the cash shop gear?
They spent money patenting for this shit after all.
i got the game with a new gpu otherwise i wouldn't buy it. its not bad but requiring an internet connection is so stupid..
id much rather play anytime/place vs being able to see other players in town or whatever..
games like this (and rdr2) really need to add a single player mode that doesn't require internet, its really stupid that you can be locked out of basically a single player game because u don't have internet..
I would not be surprised if they tried to make this a subscription offer.
I don't buy games that don't have an offline mode.
Simple solution, wait for someone to crack the game if it's not already and bam. Offline mode for your single player game
Only reason I haven't bought the game yet. If I can pirate the game and get a better offline experience, they're doing something wrong.
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