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"Being confident" is dangerously close to straight up bothering people. Plus it only really works if you're good looking.

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[–] paysrenttobirds@sh.itjust.works 24 points 10 months ago

I think you are meaning "confident that this will go your way" when it should be "confident that your mood and well-being are going to be fine no matter how it goes".

The second one takes the anxiety out and let's you respond to how things actually are, instead of comparing to some other story. Then you can see yourself, the situation, and the other person more clearly, which helps make experience more worthwhile in any event.

[–] somewhiteguy@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

Confidence: having faith or belief in oneself and/or abilities

So, being confident during dating is just knowing you have what it takes to make it. Nothing about that is "bothering people", at least it shouldn't. Know what your character and abilities are and do your best with the rest. Dating is about learning what you're into and what they are into as well. Ask them questions that you'd like them to know about you as well, so you both learn. Date at places that are neutral and there isn't a ton of pressure. You don't have to be arrogant or loud, just know your worth and what you're good at.

You can do it. It sometimes feels like a lot, but you got this.

[–] Manos@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think it's been conflated with simply "having self-esteem". So many guys (and a few women), are just so meek and weird about flirting or even just having casual conversations with the opposite sex. Like they see themselves as a social burden, but they just have to approach and give weird compliments anyway.

Like, you've seen sorta fugly people with attractive partners, right? Or two not-so attractive people dating? Someone had to make a move, and those people had self-esteem / confidence.

Confidence isn't just reserved for the physically attractive. It's ok to value other aspects of yourself and derive your self-worth from that.

If you're bothering people who turned you down already, or you're too unaware to notice, then that's a different problem altogether. I've seen plenty of guys with zero confidence linger in a convo they thought was going somewhere.

[–] Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The tricky thing I've noticed in myself is, feeling like a bother or a burden makes me a bother or a burden. Going in feeling like they will be bothered makes me act in awkward ways that is a bother to others. Trying to enter a conversation despite feeling like I'm going to be a burden is similar, I'm just relying on their charity or hoping they don't notice that I'm a burden. Super awkward.

Entering a conversation believing they want to talk but also willing to leave if the vibes aren't right seems to be the best balance for me.

[–] Alice@hilariouschaos.com 1 points 9 months ago
[–] Nemo@midwest.social 12 points 9 months ago

You've got it all wrong. Be confident that you're fine as the person that you are, and don't need a partner to complete yourself. That's what people find attractive. As long as you're chasing tail you'll be disappointed. Only when you don't need it will you find a partner worthy of the name.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 10 points 10 months ago

Being confident doesn't also mean being an ass.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Of you're bothering someone it's not because you're confident, it's because you're socially inept.

I say this as someone who was very socially inept for a long time, and today I'd say I'm just not as socially "ept" as some people I admire or as I'd like to be.

Socially "ept" people are first interested in others, not in their own ideas or goals first. Or at least they're damn good at focusing on the needs of others first. I've worked for some people who are incredible at this. Some actually care about other people, others are good at giving people what they need, to get what they want, yet you still walk away feeling good. (That's a very interesting experience).

(Is "ept" a word? I haven't looked up the etymology of "inept" yet).

[–] shuzuko@midwest.social 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I don't believe "ept" is a word, the antonym of "inept" is "adept".

[–] i_ben_fine@lemmy.one 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I like ept. It reminds me of whelmed.

[–] shuzuko@midwest.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hey, I gave up being a language prescriptivist; use it if it makes sense to you! Ain't no one got time to quibble about that shit if what you say makes sense anyway.

I can see it being the midground - inept is bad, adept is good, "ept" is just... "well I guess they don't suck at it", lol

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

Hahaha, I like it! Gonna start using it... See if I can make it catch on!

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

Thanks!

I didn't really think it was, just being funny when I couldn't find the word I wanted.

Heading off to etymonline now...

[–] Alice@hilariouschaos.com 1 points 9 months ago
[–] ZDL@ttrpg.network 6 points 9 months ago

I'm going to say the same thing I say every time someone claims "this only works if you're good looking".

Danny Devito gets laid. He got laid before he married. He got laid before he broke out as a star in Taxi. There are very, very, very, very few people who would look at Danny Devito and say "Wow, that guy's good-looking!"

Confidence is very much a necessary trait in the dating scene, and it makes up for a whole lot of other negatives (often, sadly, to the detriment of those who fall under its spell).