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Is Victoria 3 a Marxist simulator? (www.reddit.com)
submitted 10 months ago by BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net to c/games@hexbear.net
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I prefers the term of Dialectical Materialism simulator.

It’s a fantasy game for closet commies, as HOI IV is for closet Nazis or Wehraboos in the end

I'm not bothering to read much of this(500 comments?), but after a few minutes quick glance its the usual fairly above average positive response as usual.

I wonder if it is because with the game becoming less popular again most of the mainstream is gone already.

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[–] ComradeRat@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Sorta. It's very materialist. It treats economics as the foundation of historical development. Interest groups attract people based primarily on material concerns. Classes hence struggle against each other (afaik without scripting) and create alliances with other classes and do revolutions. What its really missing imo is the environmental aspect to be truly 'marxist' tho (the 19th century is when concerns about "what happens when we run out of fertiliser/trees/fish/etc" started really growing as a result of unprecedented extractivism, and these are recurring concerns in Capital)

I wonder if it is because with the game becoming less popular again

A lotta the reason people keep talking about marxism in vicky3 is because the devs of vicky3 outright said they uesed some of Marx's economic theories because it makes for good game design.

Also something something reality has a marxist bias.

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes but I also mean more in general you'd certainly expect a lot more bashing of AES or "If Marx good why China bad?" kind of nonsense. The ability for redditors to stay on a topic and not use that to push a narrative these days, its rare. In fact literaly only a single comment mentions China in a neutral tone.

[–] EnsignRedshirt@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

It’s really funny occasionally reading a post where someone is like “communism is OP in Victoria 3”. Oh, word?

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Marxist methodologies are commonly used in social sciences. When conservatives screech about Marxist propaganda in schools, I wonder how much of them are actually aware that yes, an entire academic field utilizes Marx’s theories on an everyday basis, or if it’s just vibes that coincidentally lined up with reality to a degree

[–] Trudge@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How much of this is "Economic theory relies on Marx" and how much is "Marx relies on Classical Political Economy which aspects of contemporary economic theory are also based on"?

?????

[–] charlie@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Classical Political Economy

Really just slamming words together

[–] roux@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

God I wish I could get into this game. I speedran getting kicked out of my own gov like 3 times when I tried to play with a friend and then started a new game in Cuba and made it a few years in but got sidetracked and never made it back to it.

[–] zkrzsz@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I used cheat mod when getting started and pretend like I'm playing in easy mode.

[–] roux@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I never even made it to mods and I'm a mod junkie lol. Which one are you using?

[–] zkrzsz@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] roux@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Coolio, grabbed them both. Idk when I will get back to it since I'm currently obsessed with Dyson Sphere Program.

[–] Scarry@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How is that game? Any good?

[–] roux@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's currently one of my favorite games. So, I may be biased in saying this but it's pretty fucking awesome.

If you are familiar with Factorio, it's basically that on a huge scale. Think Factorio, but 3D, and you can fly from one planet to another. A normal game has 64 stars in a cluster(seed) and you can eventually travel to all of them. Every star has at least 1 planet, but most have 3-5, that you can build factories on. You get full water planets, planets with lava lakes, tropical planets, continental planets with water, sulfur oceans, atmosphere, no atmosphere, etc. You have white and red dwarfs, red giants, F, B, and O type stars, etc. Each seed even has a neutron star and a black hole that each have a planet(super rare ores).

So the game basically starts out very Factorio, If you've plays a factory game, you are good to go for the most part. But the game flips the script once you need 2 specific resources that can't be found on your starter planet. So you have to fly to the other planets in your starter system. Then you get to interplanetary logistics, where you can start shipping things from one solar system to another. This is the trains of the game, and this is when the game opens way up. In the end, you are pulling in resources, and utilizing factories in 7-20 star systems to make science for research and to eventually make an actual Dyson Sphere, which are massive and a testament on just how big this game is thematically.

TL:DR; It's Factorio in space, huge galactic scale, and makes my brain go brrrrrr. The systems are probably simpler than Factorio for the most part.

Oh, and you can "fly" into a black hole. You really can't but you can get close to it and look out and it has a graphical "tunnel" type effect.

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[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

yes