If an instance can defederate, then can't the federation either not allow a Meta instance to federate, or defederate them?
this post was submitted on 18 Jun 2023
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yeah, there's a whole pact going around with the goal of Gabbing any Meta-affiliated instances
What does ‘Gabbing’ mean in this context?
a mass defederation from a specific instance like what happened when Gab tried to join the Fediverse
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Otherwise it's just some rumor.
it is a pretty extraordinary claim, but not unbelievable. regardless of whether there's evidence, we should still be on the lookout for suspicious behavior
How about you search for proof before spreading rumors?
Seems feasible considering every attempt to discuss using more Fediverse just gets ignored. Like Peertube is sitting right there, but everyone that joined Mastodon instances is sharing YouTube links.
But people are like this in general, so it might be just predictable behaviour.
Friendi.ca is a Facebook alternative, but I don't want to leave anonymity again.
Pixelfed is a good Instagram alternative.
Like Peertube is sitting right there, but everyone that joined Mastodon instances is sharing YouTube links.
Yeah, but often the stuff you want to share isn't on PeerTube. I think that's more the issue than people not wanting to use it/share from it.
I don't even use YT directly, always trough a privacy front-end. When I share however, I share the link to YT instead of to the front-end. There are multiple privacy front-ends, and for most devices there are ways to redirect those. By linking the original link, they can redirect to whichever they preffer.
A lot of stuff I follow is on Mastodon nowadays, and Lemmy isn't as much about following specific people but topics and conversations. But a lot of channels I like are not on PeerTube. Only if they switch, or a lot of new equally interesting ones take their place, will linking PeerTube become the norm. But whenever I check PeerTube now, it's just not that interesting.
People are still using YouTube because it still works for them. Once Google ships something that changes that, folks will start looking for alternatives. Same goes for Owncast and Twitch.
I feel like the problem with moving away from youtube is that the larger chanels making money off of it arent going to want to move because they wont get monitized if they do. If they do move it will probably be to another corperate platform.
I really dont like what youtube is planning on doing by restricting adblockers and adding more unskippable ads though. Hopefully that moves at least some people to peertube.
I think any channel that's able to get away with crowdfunded monetization like Ko-Fi or Patreon would be able to make the switch comfortably.
So what would be the end goal for Meta? Weaken reddit and twitter as platforms, but they don't believe that the fediverse is able to take off in the mass market, so people will finally post on Facebook again?
Edit: A word
https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/8/23754304/instagram-meta-twitter-competitor-threads-activitypub
It's ActivityPub-based Twitter competitor.
This is bullshit.
Nobody is claiming that fedi admins are being "paid off" by Meta. The toot you post to also does not make such a claim.
...of course. i associate NDAs most with shady business deals involving money, so i misinterpreted the post as such. i'll edit my post title
I think meta will genuinely cannibalize the rest of the fediverse if they decide to pursue this matter further. Even with the best of intentions, meta being attached to the Fediverse in any way will cause it to consume the overall connotation and understanding to the layman of what the Fediverse is and - by extension - allow meta to reshape the concept however they'd like.
I realize the above is apocalyptic and hyperbolic language for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if they pursue the concept of an instance/server for it to balloon in size with registrations from people and lead to their server becoming the defacto one, which is what I'd personally be afraid of.
there's a pact going around that has admins promise to defederate from any Meta-affiliated instances. the Fediverse will survive even if Meta tries to cannibalize it
Who got together and decided what it was "supposed to be"? Why does the fedi.tips account consistently behave as though they are some authority?
Either it's an open protocol or it isn't. If instances want to immediately defederate, that is their right of course. But to my mind it sort of demonstrates that they don't believe in what they preach, and they don't believe that they can offer a more compelling social offering, even with direct access to Meta's user base.
Literally every repeated talking point I've seen around this is all rumor and conjecture. At the end of the day we don't actually know how this will play out until Meta's offering is launched and we see how they do business.
Also unclear where the "paid off" aspect comes from. The linked post doesn't say anything about anybody being paid.