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'My school abandoned me': California university cancels pro-Palestinian student's commencement speech
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Israeli's Supreme Court ruled that Israeli nationality is not a thing. Israel is a Jewish state since 2018, and Israeli Arabs are second class citizens.
This link was one of the sources from yours: https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17623978/israel-jewish-nation-state-law-bill-explained-apartheid-netanyahu-democracy
If only Jewish people have the right to self-determination, then all Israeli citizens do not have the same rights.
You’re misunderstanding the conversation.
The comment I responded to said “they were stripped of their rights.” That’s simply not true. It is true that they are stripped of their nationality, and in that, I agree with you that the rights are not the same.
Israeli citizens have the same state rights in regards to government voting and state services.
You're basically saying "those aren't the rights I was talking about".
They do not have the right to self-determination since 2018, thus they do not have the same rights. Several of the rights of non-Jews were stripped away with the 2018 law. Not all of them, but some very significant ones.
They have similar rights, and share many of the same rights, but Jewish people have more rights than non-Jews in Israel. Not just in practice, but per the law.
No, I’m saying the comment that claimed they are “stripped of their rights” is false. You’ve cited a difference in the law that I recognize, and disagree with. There are no limitations in their participation in government or government services. If there were, I’d agree their rights were “stripped.”
There’s imbalance for sure. Being accurate allows people to recognize the problems and address them. Being sensational creates ignorance.
I think you are misunderstanding, "stripped of their rights" does not necessarily mean they lose all rights, or certain rights in particular, it simply that they lose some rights. They lost some rights, therefore they have been stripped of their rights.
So we should say all Americans have been stripped of their rights, because women cannot access life-saving medical care in the event of a complication of a late-term pregnancy?
C’mon. You’re arguing semantics to justify sensationalism. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms that you could aim at the Israeli government. Selecting choice words to exaggerate only obscures the point, fuels outrage, and perpetuates ignorance.
In a time when we can’t trust most news sources, it’s become more important to be accurate than ever.
We can say that all American cis women have been stripped of their rights, yes. However more accurately this would be on a state by state basis.
We are arguing semantics, but you're the one justifying a sensationalist response to an accurate statement.
Accuracy looks like “American cis women have been stripped of their right to abortion” or “non-Jewish Israelis have been stripped of their right to recognize previous nationality.”
“Stripped of their rights” implies all rights. If you can’t see the difference, then you’re unknowingly part of the misinformation.
No, it doesn't. You can lost rights without losing all your rights. All it implies is that more than 1 right was removed, and that it was done so unwillingly.
Please back this statement up with some sound reasoning.
It seems more likely that you are stubbornly refusing to admit you were wrong about something very minor.
I don’t know what else I can say. You clearly don’t understand the implications of the term “stripped of their rights.”
Please provide a definition or rationalisation that supports your position. I've looked myself, and all the ones I've found make no mention of "all" rights being removed. Here's one: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/strip-of
I think you don't know what else to say because you are wrong and have nothing to support your position. It is you who clearly doesn't understand, but I think that's more stubbornness than anything else.