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The tendency in DSA is uncritical support of anti-imperialist state or militant action, especially within the international committee which puts out the vast majority of comms on these topics. The "Robin" in this meme, putting forward any formal critique (a fundamental and essential component of practicing Marxism) is very much the minority position.
As usual this is people who don't know what they're talking about, making up an enemy to feel superior to, based on a lack of critical analysis. Common Deprogram L
That symbol is not a DSA thing, it is used by demsoc parties everywhere.
France's Socialist Party
Gorbachev's defunct Union of Social Democrats' youth organization which has been resurrected uses the exact same symbol
Socialist Party of Senegal uses the same version
Oh and of course it is literally the logo of the Socialist International
To say nothing of the dozen other slight variations socdem and demsoc parties use. Some of them are good on Iran, others are awful. But it is important to remember that the symbol is not a DSA thing, its an international one, and it is not always about American non-party organizations.
Let's see what the First Secretary of the French Socialist Party had to say about this exact matter this week
Another waffling answer
As for the rest of the party's faces reaction
Here is head of the Socialist International Pedro Sanchez https://twitter.com/sanchezcastejon/status/1779427120839631050
I'd say that shit makes it more than reasonable to use the symbol of the SI as a stand in for people who are unwilling to support Iran. Again, it is not a DSA exclusive or even primarily DSA thing
Thanks for taking the time to put all that together. I agree, with you. My mistake
I'll believe it when I see it
Here’s a link, take a look. https://international.dsausa.org/statements/
They pretty much tell on themselves here: https://international.dsausa.org/statements/on-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/
They "condemn" Russia. What a joke... No wonder the Global South doesn't give a shit about the Democratic Sheepherders of America. I didn't see anything on their site supporting Venezuela, China, DPRK, etc. I only see milquetoast "we stand with the 'people' of Venezuela, Cuba, etc." They're too chicken to actually support any of the governments in AES countries. They only support "the people" of those countries. What a fucking cop-out scaredy-cat fucking response. That's like when libs/chuds say "I hate the goverment but support the people!" fucking bullshit. Fuck the DSA. Actually, after seeing those "statements" I'm going to actively tell people I know to stay the fuck away from DSA. They're waaay worse than I thought.
Honestly I think you’re writing off DSA because you don’t fully understand how it works. It a big tent with plenty of trots and libs in the org. However there are also a lot of MLs who radicalized within DSA who are hoping to turn it towards genuine anti imperialist. If those statements are too bland for you check out the international committees youtube channel.
http://youtube.com/@DSAInternationalCommittee/featured
The second video is literally called “Yemen Rises: Counter Hegemony and Solidarity”. Idk what more you could want! They even brought Luna Oi who isn’t shy about being an ML to talk about how American imperialism affected her country. There is also a video on the democratic process that Cuba went through to develop their family code. Also a whole discussion on how the US has and continues to push their imperial agenda on the Korean Peninsula. Vijay Prashad is in there as well discussing the US’s aggression towards China.
If that doesn’t make it clear that DSA at the very least is not a monolith and indeed has people in it that defend AES states then idk what to tell you.