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    [–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    Arch is good, no doubt πŸ‘.

    Void is better 😁.

    [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
    [–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    Faster, more stable, no systemd, supports musl and architectures not usually supported by most distros. It's probably the most stable rolling release distro out there.

    [–] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What is the benefit of no systemd?

    [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    It's too popular and it works too well.

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    [–] DickFiasco@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The main benefit is that when people get tired of distro flame wars, they can move on to init system flame wars.

    [–] AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    With the price of energy being what it is, people need the systemd flame wars to keep them warm!

    [–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    No, I just don't like systemd. It's bloated and full of bugs. Just because almost every distro out there uses it, doesn't mean it's good.

    [–] AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I'm feeling warmer already, thanks!

    [–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    OK, I have to admit, i kinda fell for it πŸ˜‚.

    [–] AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

    It made me chuckle, so thanks for that!

    [–] zloubida@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
    [–] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I have no horse in this race, I don't have strong feelings about it either way as long as it works. But I can't help but notice that OP skipped replying to me.

    [–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

    OP said β€œbloated and full of bugs”.

    I've been using Arch since shortly before they started using systemd and literally never ran into a systemd bug.

    I have no clue at this point what β€œbloated” means. Maybe if everything works and you don't have to hack up your own solution all the time, that's β€œbloat”?

    [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Oh great so now i have to unlearn systemd again?

    [–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    Runit is even easier than doing things in systemd.

    https://youtu.be/PRpcqj9QR68

    It really is that easy. Runit is probably the simplest init/service manager there is out there.

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    [–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Does it support glibc while it supports musl?

    [–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Yes. From their website:

    C library diversity

    Void Linux supports both the musl and GNU libc implementations, patching incompatible software when necessary and working with upstream developers to improve the correctness and portability of their projects.

    [–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "Patching incompatible software"

    What does that mean? If glibc is supported why there is a portability issueand requirement of patches?

    [–] TheEntity@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Presumably so it can work with either libc implementation.

    [–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Well if glibc is supported all glibc softwares must work right?? Patching the software to support musl would not be needed if it does support glibc

    [–] TheEntity@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

    Even if it's supported, it doesn't mean it needs to be installed in every system. If the user wants to use a Musl-based system, the software working only on glibc needs to be patched. At least that's how I understood these statements.

    [–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

    But the Void Linux team specifically wants to support both glibc and musl

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    [–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I have checked the void website and it does NOT support glibc. Here is it:

    Wait edit: there is musl variant and glibc variant..

    Incompatible software

    musl practices very strict and minimal standard compliance. Many commonly used platform-specific extensions are not present. Because of this, it is common for software to need modification to compile and/or function properly. Void developers work to patch such software and hopefully get portability/correctness changes accepted into the upstream projects.

    Proprietary software usually supports only glibc systems, though sometimes such applications are available as flatpaks and can be run on a musl system. In particular, the proprietary NVIDIA drivers do not support musl, which should be taken into account when evaluating hardware compatibility.

    glibc chroot

    Software requiring glibc can be run in a glibc chroot.

    [–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    They are likely referring to musl. Patches might be needed for some programs to work with musl.

    [–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Not just musl, software that depends on systemd (or parts of it) as well.

    We also need to patch binaries as well sometimes 😁. It is fun though, cutter and/or iaito are great tools.

    [–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Yes, there are basically 2 builds for every architecture. One is glibc, the other is musl. I haven't used the musl builds that much, just toyed with them a few times (mainly because of lack of software), but if you only use open source software that doesn't specifically depend on the GNU toolchain, yes, you can daily drive it, no doubt there. And yes, it is faster than the glibc builds.

    Yeah different builds. Not what i expected

    [–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Many programs aren't packaged for Void though

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    [–] Titou@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

    Gonna give it a try one day

    [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Interesting. I will have to try it some time. I just know on my raspberry pi 5, out of the few OSes I could get to run on it, Arch was the fastest and smoothest running, and gets updates all the time. All this, even though rpi5 is not even officially supported yet!

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    [–] jroid8@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    How is it faster? You mean every program runs faster or what?

    [–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    No, just bootup and general responsivness of the system. Software is still compiled by the ssme compilers used in other distros. Everything is not magically faster.

    Though on the musl build, yeah, it is faster. Trouble is, you can't run glibc software on it. Through chroot, yeah, but natively, no.

    [–] 56_@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago
    • The package manager is extremely fast
    • The lack of systemd reduces startup time
    • The musl libc marginally speeds up programs