@Dazza So, leave the war in Ukraine lop-sided so we can absolutely ensure that the majority of those killed are Ukrainian civilians instead of Ukrainian civilians AND Russian soldiers? What kind of sense does that make?

[–] Dazza@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I see your point but There’s no clear answer here.

The article raises a valid point that Cambodia has extensive history from these weapons spilling over from the Vietnam war and causing civilian fatalities way after the war ended.

My point here is that just because a war crime(s) is committed one the Russian side, that doesn’t give free reign to the Ukraine side to do the same.

[–] AdamantlyAdam@newsie.social -3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

@Dazza There are legitimate concerns about using cluster munitions but Ukraine is well aware of the problems they create. And unlike a 3rd world country like Vietnam, they will be better suited to mitigate those threats post-war. In the meantime, none of this matters if they lose because Russia will kill half of them anyway after the war.

[–] 133arc585@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Russia will kill half of them anyway after the war.

Why? What sense does that make? When has there ever been any reason to believe that the goal is to kill Ukranians? This isn't even the first time I've seen it said that if Russia wins (or even loses!) they'll just wipe out all Ukranians afterwards. And neither time has there been any reasoning for why such an absurd claim should be believed.

If you truly believe this drivel, you're doing everyone a disservice by not attempting to justify your claims. If you truly believe it and provide justification, you might just convince others to believe what you do.

[–] fruitywelsh@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

I mean they have been bombing refugee coridors, so they clearly support killing noncombatants.

[–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So they took a vote and the people decided that they’re okay with this? Or did the administration unilaterally decide this like when they decided to cancel elections and restrict labor rights?

[–] AdamantlyAdam@newsie.social -1 points 2 years ago

@BartsBigBugBag Just the fact that you asked those questions tells me everything I need to know. There's no point in trying to answer. You won't believe it anyway.

[–] lemmyman@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And in the meantime Russia will have more time to drop even more cluster bombs

What's worse, 8000 Russian and 2000 Ukrainian (US)? Or 12000 Russian? (Made up numbers to illustrate a point I haven't seen made yet)

[–] 133arc585@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

What are these numbers? Lives lost? Bombs dropped?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think Vietnam and Ukraine are both 2nd world actually? idgi honestly