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[–] doomkernel@sopuli.xyz 217 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I still believe the name should be Linux Subsystem for Windows. The other way around sound like Proton

[–] phorq@lemmy.ml 92 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That would require Microsoft admitting they come in second.

[–] casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The one Microshaft fanboi downvoting you for speaking facts 🀣

[–] gkd@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] netchami@sh.itjust.works 45 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Microsoft has always been terrible at naming things. And at developing things. And at literally everything.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I'd say the one thing they've been decent at is input devices, oddly enough. I was pretty happy with my SideWinder 3D Pro joystick and my Intellimouse Explorer back in the day. I also still (very occasionally) use an Xbox 360 controller attached to my Linux PC.

No credit for Xboxes themselves, let alone other hardware like Zunes and Windows Phones and shit, of course.

[–] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They were historically good at input devices because they were the only ones with enough weight to get manufacturers to stop fucking around and use xinput, which guaranteed their hegemony with normal controllers for a long time. 5-10 years ago, it was basically impossible to get a normal controller (ie Xbox or ps layout) that was not approved by Microsoft, working in all games.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

LOL, my Microsoft joystick is so old it connected to the gameport on my sound card -- I'm pretty sure XInput didn't even exist yet.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

I think I had the same thing that we played Duke Nukem 3D with

[–] Rambi@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

I love Xbox 360 controllers, I always use the wired ones so you don't have to fuck about with batteries which I always find annoying to deal with, you also don't need the receiver thing either. And latency is lower.

I find 360 controllers seem to be the most comfortable to hold in my hands, as well as being pretty well built. You can get them used on eBay for like Β£15/$20

[–] tryagain@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Shout out to the Sculpt ergonomic keyboard too, my go-to for many years.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

Windows phone was their best product

[–] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Except VSCode for some reason. VSCode is great.

[–] 257m@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Say that to the face of a hardcore Vim or Emacs user and enjoy the essay.

[–] Nahdahar@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Learning vim motions in VSCode with the vim plugin was the best decision I made this year. Made programming even more fun and after a year of learning I actually feel that I finally reached a point where I'm a lot more productive. I set up neovim too, but I'm missing some things to fully switch from VSCode and I have to research my options (git integration and debugging are my pet peeves), which I haven't had time for lately.

[–] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago

I like vim, but I'm not a power user, so trying to code with it sounds...painful. I've never cracked emacs, although it has piqued my curiosity.

[–] vox@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago

mostly because all the good stuff in vscode comes from open source community

[–] Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] netchami@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

As well as their founder.

[–] thestereobus@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 years ago

It’s also usually lawyers that create these names. I worked on databases for IBM Cloud and they were all called β€œIBM Cloud Databases for Elasticsearch” and what have you. Despite it being an offering of the database on IBM’s cloud.

Since Elasticsearch is a brand name, the β€œhost” corporation corporation has to present it as a product β€œfor” the brand name rather than as the brand name itself to avoid implying that they are acting AS Linux or Elasticsearch or whoever is the third party.

[–] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 years ago

From where do you think comes the Balmer peak?

https://xkcd.com/323/

[–] maeries@feddit.de 17 points 2 years ago

It actually makes sense. It's a subsystem in Windows (therefore a windows subsystem) that makes Linux work

It is a subsystem of Windows that Linux runs in. It's not a subsystem of Linux.

Windows is the system. It's the host operating system. It created a subsystem specifically for running a child operating system. In this case, Linux

[–] phobiac@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I can't cite a source but I read once that the lawyers got involved and said Microsoft/Windows/some other term they have legal control of had to be the first word.

[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lawyers, they fuck up everything.

[–] tastysnacks@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago

What's the difference between a lawyer and a hooker? A hooker stops fucking you when you're dead.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

I think that's just branding 101

[–] EddoWagt 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Then why not call it "Windows subsystem of Linux"? Changes the meaning of the sentence completely

Because it isn't a subsystem of Linux. It is a subsystem in Windows that allows Linux to run as part of Windows.

The windows subsystem gives Linux access to the Windows system.

[–] intrepid@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago

In what world would Microsoft allow the Linux name to appear before Windows? If MS were a person, they would be diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.