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Good read, gives me a lot of hope for this project.

I look forward to an exciting future with all of you.

(Also- hopefully this wasn't posted already)

https://join-lemmy.org/news/2023-06-17_-_Update_from_Lemmy_after_the_Reddit_blackout

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[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Wow...thanks. I had no idea this was ongoing. As someone living in Asia and seeing these issues from up close, these ring close to home. I'll be paying attention for any of these...moderations.

[–] JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If you are not on lemmy.ml or lemmingrad there is nothing to look out for because these people have no influence on your content.

[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

How about Lemmy.world? Whichgroupss will they influence mostly?

[–] JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

They moderste lemmy.ml and lemmingrad. Apart from those, in which they are admins, they have zero influence or power anywhere else... Lemmy world and other indtances have completely different people in charge.

[–] talos@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

The Lemmy.world server is owned by the same guy that owns Mastodon.world. Nothing to do with the Lemmy devs. Just mainstream general interest servers.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

A lot of big communities are hosted on lemmy.ml. They have influence there.

[–] ChaosAD@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

@dessalines@lemmy.ml is /u/parentis_shotgun on Reddit. Source: https://archive.is/Ky9vd

  1. There is nothing that links to @dessalines@lemmy.ml there.

  2. Ask yourself: what is this person gaining from spreading misinformation and trying to make people to hate Lemmy developers?

[–] Nadya@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Since you didn't notice that in that post /u/parentis_shotgun claims to have made Jerboa and links to it - which links to github.com/dessalines/jerboa - you're not very observant so I'll provide you with some alternative posts as evidence.

Step 1) Visit /u/parentis_shotgun's profile

Step 2) Old PgDn to load some posts. Find the one that says nothing but "Yes" on it. This post specifically.

Step 3) Click Context to see which question it is answering

Step 4) Read the question: "Wait a second, are you the same dessalines that narrated my The State and Revolution by Lenin and Fascism: What it is and how to fight it by Trotsky?"

Step 5) See /u/parentis_shotgun's response: "Yes."

"Misinformation".

What exactly do you get out of defending Tankies?

E:

Alternative route #1: Find parentis_shotgun's post about creating thumb-key - a privacy-conscious Android keyboard made for your thumbs. Notice it links to a Github profile for dessalines.

Alternative route #2: Find this post where they keep their "communist 101s" on dessalines.github.io/essays/

[–] Nadya@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You even get a second reply. Because....

Even if there wasn't enough evidence that dessalines is parentis_shotgun - it doesn't matter! dessalines does not deny being a Tankie and makes no efforts to hide their political thoughts. You can go to lemmy.ml and read through dessalines posts. Find the one where they say "I'm not exactly hiding my politics" and link to their essays on Github. Or you can just go to the essays from their Github profile after confirming that the dessalines that is a Lemmy dev is the same dessalines that is admin on Lemmy.ml and find the link to their essays that way.

There you can see they attempt to answer many questions. Some generic to Communism - but many more defending Tankie talking points such as:

Did the Soviet Union manufacture a famine in Ukraine? What about the Holodomor?

Where they link to articles that deny the genocide.

And also defend Stalin by linking to revisionist propaganda:

What about Stalin? Didn't he kill millions?

And deny that the Cheka secret police murdered millions of people as ordered by The State:

Did the Soviet Union repress and kill millions of people?

They deny the Tiananmen Square massacre - calling it a propaganda hoax:

What about the Tiananmen square massacre?

Their defense of China's 1-child policy? "60,000,000 girls weren't killed from infanticide. Only 35,000,000 were." and they provide no other explanation for the severe gender imbalance that China has:

Did China really kill / commit infanticide on millions of girls during the 1-child policy?

There isn't any need to prove that dessalines is parentis_shotgun in order to claim that dessalines is a Tankie. dessalines is very openly a Tankie. One only needs to read the political thoughts that they openly share.

[–] proletariatnerd@iusearchlinux.fyi 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Did the Soviet Union manufacture a famine in Ukraine? What about the Holodomor?

The famine existed, but it was not fabricated. It is proven there were many factors in play, such as climate that interfered with the crops.

What about Stalin? Didn’t he kill millions?

This is just USA cold war propaganda to make communism look bad, USA alone killed even more and still does to this day. Want to talk about fabricate famine? USA is the only country forcing embargo against Cuba!

Their defense of China’s 1-child policy? “60,000,000 girls weren’t killed from infanticide. Only 35,000,000 were.” and they provide no other explanation for the severe gender imbalance that China has:

Are you implying the government killed girls?

You are so inebriated in western propaganda it is disgusting.

[–] Nadya@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The famine existed, but it was not fabricated. It is proven there were many factors in play, such as climate that interfered with the crops.

"Ukraine always suffered famine on a 7 year cycle. This was that cycle."

Yea I've heard the Tankie excuses before. Next you'll blame the kulaks for not selling their grain to The State because they were too greedy to accept The State's price for the grain.

This is just USA cold war propaganda to make communism look bad, USA alone killed even more and still does to this day. Want to talk about fabricate famine? USA is the only country forcing embargo against Cuba!

So that we're 100% clear - you're denying the existence of О операции по репрессированию бывших кулаков, уголовников и других антисоветских элементов? I don't want to dance around the subject.

I'm not here to defend the US. Fuck the US too.

Are you implying the government killed girls?

The government? Goodness, no! The entire purpose of The State is to make sure that there are enough layers of indirection and bureaucracy such that no blame could ever befall The State. The blame will always be at a lower, more expendable level that can be only denied or blamed as a defector or someone disobeying "actual" State policy.

A not insignificant number of parents from villages where State officials wouldn't look the other way? Certainly. You don't end up with a gender ratio this fucked otherwise.

The easy way to get around the one-child policy was to not register your child with The State - as pointed out by the Tankie defense of the policy. In order to do that you needed an official willing to look the other way.

[–] proletariatnerd@iusearchlinux.fyi 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yea I’ve heard the Tankie excuses before. Next you’ll blame the kulaks for not selling their grain to The State because they were too greedy to accept The State’s price for the grain.

Wow, refuted. I am no Tankie, at least not by the definition you linked lol.

So that we’re 100% clear - you’re denying the existence of О операции по репрессированию бывших кулаков, уголовников и других антисоветских элементов? I don’t want to dance around the subject.

I want to know where you get your number from. You mentioned he killed millions. Look, I don't defend his actions, Fuck Stalin, but all these numbers are absurd!

The government? Goodness, no! The entire purpose of The State is to make sure that there are enough layers of indirection and bureaucracy such that no blame could ever befall The State. The blame will always be at a lower, more expendable level that can be only denied or blamed as a defector or someone disobeying “actual” State policy.

A not insignificant number of parents from villages where State officials wouldn’t look the other way? Certainly. You don’t end up with a gender ratio this fucked otherwise.

The easy way to get around the one-child policy was to not register your child with The State - as pointed out by the Tankie defense of the policy. In order to do that you needed an official willing to look the other way.

So you mean the purpose of this police was to make parents kill their children?

[–] Nadya@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

You're clearly not here to have a discussion or engaging in good faith. I said exactly what I said.

The existence of State Officials is to impose the will and authority of The State. The State is often very intentionally vague so that they can claim to enforce whatever it is they wish to enforce without appearing to contradict themselves. It is a very deliberate tactic and the CCP is not the first or only government to do so. Most government laws are written in this manner to be intentionally broad or vague so that it can be enforced how The State wishes it to be enforced because The State exists only to increase and broaden The State's power. If the public interprets it differently and shows support for it - even better! This is how countries get things like the Patriot Act passed with widespread public approval until the public becomes aware of how The State interprets the law. The State's primary job is to ensure that the public does not become aware and to deflect and lie as much as possible to defend The State's position and The State's authority of power.

Stalinist apologist
not a Tankie

Right. Giving off real "I don't deny the Holocaust but 6.000.000 is looking kinda sus. Smells of Jewish propaganda." vibes.