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Lot's offer to the mob was meant to be an allegorical lesson on obligations to guests. Basically a hyperbolic 'this is how far you have go to protect guests in your house.' In the modern age it would be a hotel clerk holding off a mob with a shotgun or something like that.
I'm not sure if the cave incest had a lesson behind it, but the impetus was his daughters thought they were the last people on earth and were trying to restart the population themselves. I don't think they were meant to be seen as evil for it.
Thanks for reminding me of one of so many reasons I abandoned the family from my childhood and all their toxic abusive apologists in our schools and churches.
Incredible you're in here defending throwing your own children to mob rape.
I will tell you from experience that in religious schools and churches they LOVE to obsess over the tiny line of Lots wife looking back and turning to salt, while pretending the other shit didn't happen or avoiding the topic, or giving it a simple "he was weak or scared" or making it some kind of non-literal thing when convenient (and then other times angrily demanding the Bible is literal).
Allegory or not, Lot is a piece of shit, and it's unsurprising that a man who would offer his daughters to a mob for rape would also raise them to think sleeping with him is okay. Its reflective of his character; the way they think.
Also, he knew what they did and let it happen. If he was THAT passed out drunk to not remember or know, he was not erect. He fucking knew and let it happen.
Let's pretend this is merely a story to teach a lesson. Wow. That's the best they got? This is the kind of guy that is worth saving from the town before destruction? This is what these religions held up at the time as the primo example of someone to save and keep alive? They have no better way to teach lessons about fearing God, much less morality.
Fucking pathetic for anyone to even attempt the apologetics on this.
You're nine kinds of warped around the axle about this and being pretty nasty to someone who seems to be chill.
Also, as an agnostic atheist raised in some ugly fundamentalism: you're applying modern views that are out of context to the period. Women and children were basically property. A similar modern view would be towards livestock.
That doesn't make it okay. This God was just okay with that? Hahaha. Fuck that.
I was also raised in that shit. Of course I'm fucking warped by it.
This shit is fucked up and ANY defense of these scriptures is automatic red flag for hateful bigotry.
You're trying to chew on the wrong people. No one here is defending anything. Context is being provided.
Organized religion is mostly a poison, especially the fundamentalist version. Also, I get the rage. That shit ate my family.
That being said, I think it's important to be as accurate as possible in our criticism. Lot's daughters were offered for gang rape as his visitors were male aspect angels. Warped perspective given modern views. It's about the duty to visitors and the evil of Sodom. I don't know the historicity of Sodom and Gomorrah, but the story is almost certainly mostly fictional.
What's really fucked up is trying to apply Bronze Age morality to the current age and cramming it down children's throats.
You're so angry about this shit, but, maybe you should make sure you're directing that anger at appropriate targets.
In not sure how you see that as a defense. I think you might be projecting your own issues on others.
Well no fucking shit. My own issues are called "the fucking Christian abusers who used this shit against me and anyone else to stave off any responsibility for anything."
If it hadn't affected me negatively I'd probably not give a shit what some people's scripts say.