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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

I find it extremely ironic that you worry about scaring people off with practical details, but see no conflict in promoting a party which liberally uses poisoned leftist language. McCarthyism happened, the Cold War happened. Accurate terminology has been turned into boogeyman words.

The average American hears "socialism", and they think of gulags and breadlines and authoritarianism. I'm not saying that's an accurate conception, I'm just saying that's the consequence of a century of anti-left propaganda.

If you're worried about alienating people, start with your messaging. I fully believe that a socialist party will be substantially more successful if they embrace patriotic, market based, Christian language.

It's not socialism in the workplace, it's making every worker a stakeholder. It's not UBI, it's an investment in Americans. We're not sissy bleeding heart libcucks obsessed with handouts, we're spreading Jesus' message of feeding the hungry, healing the sick, and embracing immigrants as we were immigrants in Egypt.

If you care about the persuasive content of the message, then care about it. Don't clutch your pearls when people want their plans to be actual plans because that might scare people off, then push a party using poisoned language.

I don't oppose the stated goals of the PSL, but you have to realize that, in America at least, socialist vocabulary is more divisive and alienating than sober, pragmatic tactics.

[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 0 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I find it extremely ironic that someone who seems to have such strong opinions on communication is so bad at. You bring up not awful and not unheard of points about using conservative language to draw people to the left. That could've been a much more productive discussion.

The biggest reason I never told you what my plan was is because you never asked for it. The initial point I was making was about how money is bad and we don't need it. Then you attacked my phrasing. You could've even briefly corrected my phrasing and then gone on to talk or ask about what the path to get there is. Instead you ranted about what tense I was using and how other economic systems don't work.

The way you've communicated with me makes it seem like your goal is alienating people.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't know how many more ways I can say the same thing Even the PSL website outlines solutions which still involve money.

Don't say things that may lead to swaths of people jumping off metaphorical roofs. Take responsibility for your message, and refine it when problematic. Be precise.

[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

And above all jump down the throat of anyone who doesn't enunciate a point perfectly, it should be our goal to discourage engagement as much as possible /s

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 49 minutes ago (1 children)

More like correct those who enunciate point so imperfectly that it becomes a different, harmful point.

[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 minutes ago

That's a big stretch for a fucking tense. And when correcting is necessary, it should be done in such a way that actually strengthens the foundation of the point, assuming you agree with the goal. Otherwise what you're trying to build will never come to fruition.