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[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

We have to decide we want to do it before we can figure out how to do it. If we allow the current trend to continue, we'll never get the opportunity to try out any of those alternatives. There is a definitive plan to live in a stateless classless moneyless society, it's called socialism. It has an express goal of moving beyond a moneyed system. Focusing on how long and complicated the path could be is a great way to keep people disinterested in making any change whatsoever. I'm not saying you need to hide that part of it, but the way to inspire change is by keeping focus on what the goal is, and making it seem like it's possible because it is.

Also it's very easy to just say "____ is extremely vulnerable to corruption" to dismiss the whole idea, but you're also just doing the same generalization I did but in a negative direction. Well money is extremely vulnerable to corruption and we have more evidence of that than most any other system.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

We have to decide we want to do it before we can figure out how to do it.

Agreed. But that's "should" language, not "can" language.

There is a definitive plan to live in a stateless classless moneyless society, it's called socialism.

The last time something called socialism got widespread, it too succumbed to horrible corruption.

Focusing on how long and complicated the path could be is a great way to keep people disinterested in making any change whatsoever.

Ignoring how long and complicated the path to aircraft could be is a great way to get people jumping off buildings with cardboard wings.

I'm not saying you need to hide that part of it, but the way to inspire change is by keeping focus on what the goal is, and making it seem like it's possible because it is.

The Incan economy isn't going to painlessly scale to a globalized society. Pretending that it's a rational alternative just makes you look foolish, which does more to hinder progress than soberly acknowledging the difficulty of the problem.

money is extremely vulnerable to corruption

Yes. Every system of resource and labor allocation is vulnerable to corruption. Some people are greedy, and no matter what system you devise to allocate resources and labor duties, some people will figure out how to manipulate it for personal advantage.

[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You claim to want the same outcomes as me, but your method of naysaying and picking at every detail will mostly lead to people disengaging with the conversation entirely. That's actively harmful to the movement's progress.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Ignoring the most basic attention to detail is much worse than over-attention to detail. While they deserve consideration, optics are secondary to functionality. The most popular plan in the world is useless if it doesn't actually function.

Engagement is nothing without substance. You're putting the cart before the horse.

[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 hours ago

You are well beyond "most basic", and also I disagree. Over-attention to detail is a very easy way to make nothing happen at all, which is currently killing people. I'm not the person who's going to map out a detailed plan to get to that society, nor do I think an internet comment section is the place to do that. Especially when what we're talking about is global revolution which absolutely necessitates broad engagement with many many people who don't know all the details and really don't need to. This is a very appropriate context to be talking in broad strokes. And if you want to wait for some perfect plan with every detail in exactly the right place, you'll be waiting until the heat death of the universe.