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I know it's unpopular to withhold my vote from Democrats, but that's my line and I'll stick to it.

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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 18 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Cool, so basically repeating what happened in November. No nuance, single issue voter.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Go ahead and blame people who care about genocide rather than the party who has twice run absolute shit candidates (Hilary and Biden; Kamala was lacking, but at least better than they) against a fascist tyrant. I still voted against him, but I’m sure you’ll find a way to blame me for our sorry state of affairs just for wanting more from the competition.

I just said what happened, didn't say anything else.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 2 points 9 hours ago

Blame can be shared. It's absolutely true that the Democrats like to run shit candidates, because Washington is a putrefying swamp of corruption and very few people who work there give a shit what happens to anyone let alone brown people halfway across the world. It's also true that people who talk mainly about "refusing to vote for Democrats" thinking that's going to be a useful strategy for improving anything are making the problem worse.

It's not an either-or thing, where the first thing absolves someone of blame for the second. Just because the smoke alarms don't work... doesn't mean, the person setting fires on purpose, that all of a sudden it's not his fault that the building's currently on fire.

[–] i_ben_fine@midwest.social 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I see this issue as fundamentally connected to all the other issues I care about. If I can't get them to stop supporting Israel, I won't get anything else I want.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

What are the other issues you care about?

Because personally I see Israel as a side effect of the other issues I care about.

I don't think we're going to make much headway trying to just tackle the Israel problem on its own.

However if we can put a dent in the military industrial complex and reduce global dependence on petroleum, having an "ally" like israel in the middle east starts looking a lot less attractive. Israel can only do so much without the US backing them up unconditionally, and once the government and arms manufacturers stop caring so much about them it becomes easier to turn the tides of public opinion and get the government to reverse course.

As long as there's money to be made in the middle east, we're not going to get the people in power to reverse course on Israel. We need to change the world around them so that it no longer makes sense to support them.

[–] i_ben_fine@midwest.social 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

You actually sound like you care about what's happening. I'm glad you're here.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

And I'm glad that your heart is in the right place, but your brain absolutely is not. You're playing at some naive, idealistic version of politics that's going to prevent us from making the changes we need to to turn the tides against Israel.

Sometimes, unfortunately, you have to hold your nose and vote for a candidate who kind of stinks to make sure we're not getting something even worse.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 hours ago

Sometimes, unfortunately, you have to hold your nose and vote for a candidate who kind of stinks to make sure we’re not getting something even worse.

If people still haven't accepted this, given what's currently happening, then I don't think they ever will.