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A post by [object Object] (@zzt@mas.to) saying:
courtesy of @davidgerard@circumstances.run, Proton is now the only privacy vendor I know of that vibe codes its apps:
In the single most damning thing I can say about Proton in 2025, the Proton GitHub repository has a “cursorrules” file. They’re vibe-coding their public systems. Much secure!
I am once again begging anyone who will listen to get off of Proton as soon as reasonably possible, and to avoid their new (terrible) apps in any case. https://circumstances.run/@davidgerard/114961415946154957
It has a reply by the author saying: in an unsurprising update for those familiar with how Proton operates, they silently rewrote their monorepo’s history to purge .cursor and hide that they were vibe coding: https://github.com/ProtonMail/WebClients/tree/2a5e2ad4db0c84f39050bf2353c944a96d38e07f
given the utter lack of communication from Proton on this, I can only guess they’ve extracted .cursor into an external repository and continue to use it out of sight of the public
so if nobody likes proton what do you guys do? i am getting tired of the email shuffle.
I feel like every email post is a "don't use platform x" and there are very few (if any?) universally well received services out there. In which case the community will probably just give up and go back to Google.
We probably need a tier chart or something to add perspective. Proton have made dumb decisions recently but they're still better than Google/Microsoft
I dont hope to find a secure email platform anymore. If i have some info i want to protect i can encrypt it myself before sending, or send it via some secure instant messaging like signal. Email is too hard to make secure, and in he end of the day, the other person youre talking to probably has a gmail or something. Its not worth the hassle imo. There are other ways to have secure communication, outside emails.
This is a great point. We spend so much time naval gazing on the best platform for our side, but what about the other side? Might as well use any old service and encrypt your private comms specifically. Yes it's effort to encrypt but I think it's the best compromise of privacy without housing your own mailserver
it's good to keep secure communications separate anyways, so you don't accidentally send the secret message to the wrong place or without the security measures.
i don't get why people want it in the same place as their fucking gaming chats, imagine sending state secrets to #fursuit-showoff because you didn't notice which specific channel you're in
I self host my mail. There are plenty of people telling you not to do so, but I sincerely have made very good experience with it the last 10 years. The absolute minimum you should do is to have your own domain, otherwise you are in a vendor lockin.
Then, use PGP where possible with an open source mail client such as thunderbird.
I've been using Posteo for years and don't have any complaints.
How is the initial storage limit?
I use GPG in Thunderbird with ForwardEmail (because I use a custom domain)
self host. you can get great deals on domains and have whatever you want. Hell in many cases you can get free domains with hosting. my domain is a .ca (i'm Canadian) and I got it free for 2 years with a hosting plan that costs me $50 a year. So I'm already saving over Proton, It's local to me, and I can have unlimited accounts and bandwidth. I also use it to host my portfolio site.
Then I also have my own home server which I use for VPN, Backups, Bitwarden, Git Repos, torrents/media, even have my own searx search engine on it.
I host other stuff, but isn't email a pain to get working and not marked as spam?
I haven't had any issues with it being marked as spam as of yet.