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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (13 children)

In Capitalist nations, the further we are from the era of peak Unions and in general civil society movements (which was just after WWII) the slower infrastructure improves from one year to the next, something visible not just in trains but at all levels (even National Health Services for those countries which have them).

The same thing will happen in China now that they're getting more Capitalist than Socialist.

It was never the Capitalist part doing the kind of improvements that benefit most people, it was the stuff outside Capitalism (that used it as a Trade Philosophy only) constraining it and guiding it for policy ends which were independent of Capitalism.

This slowing of improvements of course itself accelerated with Neoliberalism, since that stuff is mainly about making Capitalism the sole definer of policy, or in other words make Capitalism the entirety of politics, hence unconstrained and unguided by interests other than those of Money, so ever less policy was done for the greater good.

Capitalism is reasonably decent at optimizing Trade in the short and mid-term, but is completelly shit for non-Trade interests such as Quality Of Life, as well as for anything which doesn't have direct and reasonably immediate action-consequence links such as situations where negative effects are very delayed in time (for example, companies enshittifying their products but keeping on going for years on the inertia of brand name) or emergent in nature (i.e. things that appear due to the accumulation of the actions of many actors, such as Global Warming).

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't know if this analysis is true generally, Japan is pretty fucking capitalist.

I would argue it's more a matter of what wing of the capitalist oligarchy has the upper hand. In the US and Canada, it's the extractive fossil capital and that ultimately holds power. In Japan, or the Netherlands it's more the manufacturing.

Don't extrapolate from the US to capitalism in general. It's more nuanced than that.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Whilst I can't speak in an informed way about Japan, I can about The Netherlands and they have been degrading in terms of quality of public services during the Neoliberal era.

Certainly by the time I left (about 15 years ago) the trend was well establish in that country of having Scandinavian levels of tax (but only for people, not for companies) and ever more American-level of public services. For example, they don't have a National Health Service (instead they have Health Insurance) even though taxes there for individuals are significantly higher than in countries which do have one such as Britain or Portugal.

They also use to have a high level of public housing but haven't been building much of it in the last few decades and now have a giant realestate bubble.

The Netherlands is a great example of how even countries which started with a higher level of policies geared towards the good of the many, have a decay of those over time as we get further and further away from the post-War era, especially during the Neoliberal years.

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