When that poll came out, it was posted here to show that supporting genocide cost Harris the election, and a lib came in to debunk it with your argument about swing states (from what I remember, the swing state numbers change things somewhat, but not as strongly as they were claiming).

We're really going to keep having this same argument, over and over, from both directions, and libs will freely switch to whatever side makes the leftists wrong.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah there's a simple solution here

Evidence shows leftists cost Kamala the election: Good, the dems should be afraid of us, we have more power so we can make substantial demands.

Evidence shows leftists didn't affect elections: Fine, keep building the left, forget national elections, localize the intifada

[–] crosswind@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago

I agree with not shying away from responsibility. There's no contradiction for us in that case. Either leftists were strong enough to swing the election, or we should have been. For the ghouls, there's no contradiction either. Either the leftists were irrelevant in the election, or they should have been. It's the people who support the democrats while claiming to be against genocide who have to be skilled at switching realities to argue with whatever they think the leftist in front of them is saying.