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What are the risks, if you aren't intending on doing anything illegal?
They can load in spyware that follows you outside the country. Also the whole "if you aren't intending to do anything illegal" bit really reads like all the piece of shit bootlicking conservatives after George Floyd.
They can't do that unless they take your devices, gain admin access and install stuff onto it. You don't just get spyware installed your phone simply by entering a country.
Except that is a whole different context. The argument doesn't work if you're a citizen of a country and granting your government more and more powers. It would apply maybe if you were a Chinese citizen. OP isn't talking about moving to China or installing a similar government in their home country. They are going on holiday. You can behave yourself and cooperate with their requirements for a few weeks. If you are really against a country having powers to check your phone and devices and such as a matter of principle, not because you've got anything to hide, then don't go.
George Floyd was an American citizen murdered in his own country by the powers that were supposed to protect him. Big difference.
Although I did take precautions myself, such as deleting my memes/downloads folder just in case I saved anything that could be offensive. But it didn't matter because they didn't check my phone anyway for simply being there.
China itself cares the most about public disorder and foreign influence. As long as you aren't intending on causing foreign interference in how they do things and are just going for purposes of tourism/adventure/meeting people, then you'll be absolutely fine. They don't really care enough about you to give you special treatment unless you are seen as a threat like that.
People have said that is exactly what happens. Some had full phone scan, other requirement is installing a china app and keeping it on your phone for your stay
I have never heard of that happening. surely that'll take ages if they had to stick an app on every foreigner's phone
https://www.mic.com/impact/china-monitors-tourists-by-putting-surveillance-apps-on-their-phones-according-to-new-report-18168434
That's only for Xinjiang.
Elsewhere in China, phone inspections may not be standard but targeted. Although broader surveillance like the National Anti‑Fraud Center may be used.
Aka I ain't travelling there
Your choice ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Foreigners will most likely have Alipay at least if you want to pay for stuff and use ride share.
True, although you can just sandbox it and refuse to give it permissions.
You have no idea how small these snooping apps can be. Like less than a megabyte and all your traffic goes through a server controlled by the pla and logs everything in and out of your phone whether your on mobile or Wi-Fi.
Yeah but the process of taking a phone, getting the unlock code, installing it, etc.
Lol you just flew half way around the world to get there and now you're going to not give them your code. And yeah, they probably don't need it anyways.
"bUt YiDdIsH, wHy NoT sNeAk YoUr DeVicE iN¿"
You go ahead and try that, let us know how it works out for you if you make it back.
Simple solution to every other dumb shit question you're going to ask; just bring a fucking burner device not logged into anything!
Jesus, I got this fence post out in my yard if you wanna continue this non argument.
You could just delete your sensitive stuff on your normal device if you cannot afford a burner. VPN certificates and logins can be revoked.
China isn't exactly know for rule of law. They could simply decide you are a criminal. When traveling international it is better to play it safe.
If you really need a service I would either bring a disk drive with you or setup limited remote access for yourself that has minimal access. Remember they can force you to hand over things like passwords.
Doesn't the USA do the exact same thing?
I wouldn't recommend travelling to the USA either
I unironically think the USA's security might be worse than China. Everyone in China was quite friendly and patient.
Competent, too, I bet.
Yep. Pretty efficient most of the time
It isn't exactly the same thing but border security can do just about anything.
They can, but they probably won't in all likelihood. You could get in a car accident on the way to the airport. Your aeroplane could also crash.
*What aren't
You have to install an app on your phone and keep it their during your visit. Some people said they had a full phone scan done on entry. Don't bring your regular phone bring a burner and don't login to any of your accounts
You don't. I went to China a few weeks ago and my phone was never of any suspicion or brought into question.