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Giving Up on Element & Matrix.org: The Matrix.org network has great potential, but after years of dealing with glitches, slow performance, poor UX, and one too many failures, I’m done with it. (xn--gckvb8fzb.com)

submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by Pro@programming.dev to c/Technology@programming.dev

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After five years of using Matrix.org/Element as my primary communication platform, and rooting for it, and promoting it, and enduring its many quirks, I’ve decided to move on (or rather back). Despite promising ideals and growing institutional adoption, the network remains slow, unreliable, and confusing for everyday users. Development feels directionless, client and server projects are fragmented, and the user experience still lags far behind my expectations. A recent incident that essentially broke my own community channel on the Matrix.org homeserver was the final straw: I’m heading back to XMPP.

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[–] monogram 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Good to see more people come to this conclusion, using matrix for online public chat seems strange when irc exists.

And for IM, matrix is a non starter.

The difficulties of curtailing known csam rooms, as admins have described, is another nail in the coffin for matrix.

[–] refalo@programming.dev 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I'm not sure what better choice there is if you want strong decentralization/federation... every attempt so far has been met with moderation woes whose solution is just.. more centralization (mjolnir/shared ACLs/blocklists/etc.).

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

blocklists are centralization. I mean aren't they voluntary to use?

[–] refalo@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes they are, but when a platform prides itself on decentralization and tries to gain users based on that, only for the user to find out they're already wrongly banned everywhere because of a centralized blocklist (my personal experience as an example)... to me that's still too centralized.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

My dream with federation is all that at the individual level. So I can sign up for blocklists and heck im fine with some initial defaults that can be turned off but i would like the user to open or close off everything if they want.

[–] monogram 2 points 1 week ago

Which is your priority? Decentralisation or Federation?

One you can solve with briar/nostr/jami the other with xmpp/deltachat/databag