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i love how woke has almost become a seal of approval at this point

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[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You never did say where this Utopian paradise you live in is located. I would honestly love to hear about this society that has completely solved racism and bigotry forever. Perhaps people in profoundly broken societies can learn your example.

Mate, you’re basically justifying your own obcession with a specific human trait, by there having existed and existing bad people who are obcessed with it and have done and do bad things using it as a justification.

WTF, lol. No, I am in no way "obcessed". You don't have to be obsessed to have a modicum of empathy for people who have been and are still are being oppressed. I'm also not 'justifying' anything, I don't feel like I have done anything that requires justification. Having compassion for my fellow humans is nothing I need to justify to you or anyone else.

In other words; you’re accepting the hierarchy of importance and relevance of human traits which the bad people have and then just saying you’re going in the opposite direction - in other words, you claim to reject their actions yet stay within the same framework of prejudice that they defined.

I'm not at all sure how you got that from my comment, but that is a crazy take. Especially considering how I already spelled it out in explicit detail. Once again, since you seem to have missed it, being LGBTQ doesn't make you "extraordinary" or "better than" anyone else. I lack the vocabulary to explain it in any more clearly than that.

I don't rank anyone based on their superficial characteristics. I'm actually an Anarchist because I don't believe in hierarchy at all, much less one based around characteristics that are beyond peoples control. Just because I show love and compassion for a group of people who have been and continue to be marginalized and discriminated against, doesn't imply I think they are better than anyone else ffs. I'm not sure if you have ever heard of the concept of 'equality' but you should look it up sometime. ALL people deserve to be respected as human beings, regardless of their superficial characteristics.

because I’m against ALL injustice as a broader principle

You are against injustice, but the people who have experienced injustice should shut the fuck up about it and never mention it in any context other than a very narrow and specific circumstance that you as a person privileged enough not to have to suffer such indignities dictate because you find it 'distracting'. Do I understand you correctly?

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

How about this: my way of thinking is how people think about the subject in The Netherlands, the most tolerant nation in Europe and for example the first to legalize gay marriage (in fact one of my English colleagues when I lived there had moved there exactly to be able to tie the knot with his partner, as it was still not legal in Britain back then).

Their whole take on sexual orientations is that "it's all normal" and it works spectacularly well: this is a country were the first really successful Far-Right Leader of this century - Pim Furtijn - was overtly and openly gay since the very start and nobody batted an eye about it - were else in the World would the leader of the god damned Far-Right be gay and nobody cares and he's very successful?

Meanwhile what I've seen when I lived there in places like Britain which practice the Identity Politics take on this is a neverending fight.