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I love how these positions are just preformed, free floating in the public consciousness, and left for the worst people to just pick up and play with. It's so obvious that Democrats only exist to lose. This SHOULD make people question Democrats legitimacy, but it wont. A legitimate left wing oppositional party could be feasting right now with how many opportunities exist for agitation. Candidates for local authorities could be running on implementing divestment from Israel on top of local investment in social programs, and just reap the rewards.

I can't wait for opportunities in NYC to be squandered instead of leveraged.

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[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 61 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

You're not supposed to mention that they're armed with nukes.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 14 points 16 hours ago (7 children)

Are they actually? As far as I know they haven't done any public test or display. I think they're bullshiting to intimate their neighbors.

[–] OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 1 points 1 hour ago

Well, "they" are also the U.S. of A so they basically have nukes

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 42 points 15 hours ago

They did testing with the assistance of South Africa back when SA was still in full-swing apartheid

[–] WoodScientist@hexbear.net 35 points 15 hours ago

We know the history of the Israeli nuclear program, where the bombs are made, and what their delivery systems are. All the surrounding countries certainly act like Israel has nukes, so their intelligence agencies clearly think they do. There have been numerous high profile leaks and mistaken admissions.

Is it possible there's a decades-long conspiracy to fake having nuclear weapons? Sure, anything is possible. But Occam's Razor says we should just assume they have them.

As a nation, bluffing you have nuclear weapons would be an incredibly stupid thing to do. It means your rivals will seek them out to restore balance of power. Israel has been fighting for decades to keep other Middle Eastern nations from acquiring nukes. And those nations have tried to acquire them precisely because of Israel's nuclear arsenal. They're trying to level the playing field. What happens if you fake having nukes, your rivals respond by getting some of their own for real, and then it's revealed that you never had them?

Faking you have nuclear weapons is a profoundly stupid idea. The only time you want anyone thinking you have nukes is if you actually have them.

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 29 points 15 hours ago

Nuclear weapons and Israel

Israel is widely believed to possess nuclear weapons. Estimates of Israel's stockpile range from 90 to 400 nuclear warheads,[2][5][6][7][8][9][19]

I dont want to just quote wikipedia and leave it there but I have never heard of any Nuclear Israel denialism beyond them being cheeky about it.

[–] neo@hexbear.net 32 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Israel has never confirmed or acknowledged it officially. But there are people who have come out who plausibly could know who have claimed it to exist. I think the earliest example was in the early 80s, but I cannot remember that person's name atm.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 11 points 13 hours ago

Mordechai Vanunu