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I think heard in passing, some video clip saying a dude was "promoting the 9-5 lifestyle", aka having a job? Is that bad now? I'm getting old.
It's more exploitative than many younger individuals agree with. 40 hours and still can't buy a home? I'd say the 9 to 5 is a failed experiment.
Thanks for the context. Fwiw I can definitely empathize with that. Companies have been giving employees shit deals more and more over time.
For instance, I've met single company lifers and can't imagine that level of loyalty given a company wouldn't think twice to lay me off.
A lot of people like that are just coasting along, and fairly happy with where they are.
And that's fine, if your company treats you well, it's not a moral failing or anything.
If you hate 9-5 five days a week you might want to look into how work used to be.
I think you're missing the point. Just because it was worse does not mean progress is pointless.
He said it was a “failed experiment.”
That does indeed make it sound pretty pointless.
“This is a failed experiment” does not mean “it’s an improvement but we should go further.”
I know everybody wants me to just get their point, and I do, but the words we choose also matter, and these were poor ones.
Who is this "he" you're talking about?
https://lemmy.world/comment/18286984
That’s the same person. I think they’re teasing you for not realizing that. They could also be teasing you for automatically gendering them too.
Yeah I feel this. "Failed experiment" implies, to me, that we should forget this avenue of thought and go back to what we had before.
"Outdated concept" might have been better?
Either way we're all in agreement fundamentally
No, it's a failed experiment. The fact it doesn't even exist anymore should tell you that. 9 to 5 monday to friday today is only 37.5 hours of pay a week.
I'm not sure I follow you. Can you explain
"I think the system is unfair and could be dramatically improved."
"This is the improved version! No further progress shall be made! Work your 9-5 and be glad you're not locked in the shirtwaist factory for twelve hours a day!"
I like how you totally changed what you said, put it in quotes, and then did the exact same thing to me. This is a great example of a straw man: take what your interlocutor said, turn it into an extreme pantomime farce, and then bat it down. Feel better?
I was paraphrasing both OP and yourself to create a farce, yes. Because farces are funny. It was a joke, not a clever and cutting rhetorical maneuver.
So, yeah, sucks a little that you took it so personally, but I do feel pretty good about it.
You “paraphrased” what you said to be more reasonable than what you actually said, and “paraphrased” what I said to be less reasonable than what I actually said. Gee, neat trick.