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What will it take to make PeerTube relevant enough that people will creat content and follow creatos on the fediverse?
Most "non tech-savvy" people I've tried to explain the concept of open source software and initiatives like the Fediverse to just outright don't trust them. Whilst they might say they'd prefer for software and services to not track or manipulate them if you asked them directly, they can't truly conceive of tech that doesn't.
The only interactions these people have had with the digital world have been as part of the modern data scraping hellscape that was once termed "Web 2.0" after the internet went mainstream in the '00s. They weren't part of the internet when it was a niche interest and more open, so they know no better and accept that predatory behaviour as the way of things.
I'm not an expert in psychology but I don't think it's overly dramatic to say it puts me in mind of those poor individuals who were abused as children, never received therapy and go on to seek out other abusers in adulthood.
The masses don't know how to search for information anymore. Not only that, but they are unable to do so with the disparity of their understanding of the search engines and the current state of search engines. People are used to being fed information through an algorithm, and those who control the algorithm aren't about to promote a competitor that'd take away their money.
Is it possible for creators to earn money on PeerTube? If not, maybe that's what's holding a lot of them back. And of course the fact that most people don't know what PeerTube is. It should be easily accessible for everyone and have some kind of system to give the creators money. And make the switch from YouTube easy.
Most creators on YouTube make their main money from patreon/merch anyway. No reason you can't do that on peertube.
Making money on merch/patreon can only happen once your channel is established though. Until then, YouTube creators are dependent on ad revenue to keep them going, and probably operate at a loss until they reach the point where they can supplement that ad revenue. Trying to get yourself established on a platform that doesn't offer any ad revenue is a much harder sell.
As much as I like federation, stuff like nebula seems like a better solution.
The issue is that nebula doesn't offer the community aspect that YouTube offers
Start randomly insulting eachother and gaslight one another in comment sections. You'll build up the hate in no time at all.
I'm pretty sure they don't let just anyone on Nebula, which is a big part of the problem. Absolutely anyone can upload content to YouTube.
It's not about the comments, it's more about the creators creating the youtubesphere
Yeah I have a subscription there. I recommend it.
It's possible, but they have to implement the paywall or ad revenue by themselves. They are allowed to monetize, but it's not necessarily trivial or even profitable, at this point.
Accessibility, usability, scalability at very, very large scale, actual searchability, and actual return on investment, because some people actually get money from youtube?
Actually, peertube, depending on the instance and the popularity of the content, can be incredibly frustrating for a viewer. And it can be frustrating to the content creator. Some people are quick to dismiss minor (and less minor) annoyances, are able to look for fixes, and so on, but for almost everyone? The experience is nightmareish, with incertain returns (or no returns at all, as it stands).
Once you fix all that, you might have a chance to convince larger entities to move to peertube. Well, more realistically, to host their own instance. Well, more realistically, to host multiple instances, because really some people would hammer the platform down with each video. See the issue yet?
I agree, but I didn't really get the last point about hammering the platform.
Peer to peer viewing can only go so far. Some people, when they put a video out, get hundred of thousands of view in the span of a few minutes. This works relatively well on youtube, with a very large CDN (and probably some heuristics for big accounts). It is enough to hinder "smaller" platforms like dailymotion. It would just be a terrible experience on peertube as it is now, unless the creator preemptively mirrored it in many, many places beforehand.
Maybe the peer to peer aspect of it could sustain big amounts of viewers
Not really, at least not when viewers all flood in once the video is out.
In this situation, everyone needs a file, but barely anyone can share it, leading to terrible bandwidth.
Nothing.
There is a massive gap between the aspirations of online consumers, and actual consumer behavior.
People will never ever support creators, that's the bottom line. People are greedly little fucks and they like it. Don't fool yourself.
I say this as a former massive streamer will millions of watched hours. People. Are. Shit.
I think it has a lot to do with people not having enough money. I'd love to support every creator I like but its simply not possible. If we'd all earn enough money the creators would earn more as well.
Exactly! Sometimes I feel I do not support creators/open source projects enough, but then I remember I'm dead poor and sometimes can't afford food without going into debt, so hey, I'm not quite in the position to.
And there are quite a lot of people like me. Once the situation improves a little, they first improve their standards of living a little, they get to afford and buy things they long needed, and only then can they actually spare money to support someone or something.
Many don't get to the latter part for a long while.
Sorry, but I don't think what you said is correct. People love supporting others and it happens all the time to many creators. Sorry your experience was negative.