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[–] womjunru@lemmy.cafe -1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The tools are relative. Pick a tool. It can be used wrong. You are special pleading, dogmatism, intellectual dishonesty.

If you’re going to refuse entire categories of tools then we are down to comparing AI to AI, which is a pointless conversation and I want no part of it.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Okay, now imagine the tool is advertised in a way that tells you to use it wrong.

[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 5 points 1 day ago

"Gilette - Follow The Road, Don't Cross It™"

[–] stm@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If you’re going to refuse entire categories of tools then we are down to comparing AI to AI, which is a pointless conversation and I want no part of it.

The point is not to compare but analyze how AI affects us and the world around us, society. By saying "it's just a tool", or "knives can also be missuesd" you relativize discussion and that rethoric just contributes to defending openAI and other big techs and even helping them banalize the issue.

From what i witnessed is that people lose agency, get and belive fake info, everything becoming slop, people loosing jobs getting replace by more workers that are less payed etc.

EDIT: And no it's not the same as knife or razor or a gun, it will never be.

[–] womjunru@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 day ago

You could say the same about social media and the entire internet. Would you choose to regulate that?

I recall in the mid 90s a group of people on the street corner protesting AOL (America OnLine) and saying the internet should be stopped.

They may have had a point, but the technology wasn’t to blame for the shit that’s it’s used for.

The vague way you talk about AI makes be think that you don’t know much about it. what do you use AI for? Is it ChatGPT?

[–] Benedict_Espinosa@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not about banning or refusing AI tools, it's about making them as safe as possible and regulating their usage.

Your argument is the equivalent of "guns don't kill people" or blaming drivers for Tesla's so-called "full self-driving" errors leading to accidents, because "full self-driving" switches itself off right before the accident, leaving the driver responsible as the one who should have paid more attention, even if there was no time left for him to react.

[–] womjunru@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So what kind of regulations would be put in place to prevent people from using ai to feed their mania?

I’m open to the idea, but I think it’s such a broad concept at this point that implementation and regulation would be impossible.

If you want to go down the guns don’t kill people assumption, fine: social media kills more people and does more damage and should be shut down long before AI. 🤷‍♂️

[–] Benedict_Espinosa@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Probably the same kind of guardrails that they already have - teaching LLMs to recognise patterns of potentially harmful behaviour. There's nothing impossible in that. Shutting LLMs down altogether is a straw man and extreme example fallacy, when the discussion is about regulation and guardrails.

Discussing the damage LLMs do does not, of course, in any way negate the damage that social media does. These are two different conversations. In the case of social media there's probably government regulation needed, as it's clear by now that the companies won't regulate themselves.

[–] womjunru@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Okay so it has guardrails already. Make them better. Government regulations can’t be specific enough for the daily changing AI environment.

I’d say AI has a lot more self regulation than social media.

But, I run ai on bare metal at home. This isn’t chatGPT. And it will, in theory, do anything I want it to. Would you tell me that I can’t roll my own mania machine? Get out of my house lol.

[–] Benedict_Espinosa@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Naturally the guardrails cannot cover absolutely every possible specific use case, but they can cover most of the known potentially harmful scenarios under the normal, most common circumstances. If the companies won't do it themselves, then legislation can push them to do it, for example making them liable, if their LLM does something harmful. Regulating AI is not anti-AI.

[–] womjunru@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 day ago

I feel the guardrails are in place, and that they will be continuously improved. If a person finds a situation where an AI suggests they kill themselves without being prompted, say, during a brainstorm about strawberry cake consistency—if you were dead you wouldn’t have this problem—would be… concerning.