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[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago (3 children)

As a Canadian, it appears to me that most of the Americans who want to move here are doing so because they like and support the way that Canada is currently functioning, and that's fine by me.

Immigrants who want the country to change for them are problematic. I almost think that first generation immigrants shouldn't get to vote, it should be a gift to their children rather than themselves. That shouldn't even need the child to be born in Canada, I'd actually be fine with anyone who goes through at least half their primary education (so let's say grade 7 or younger) here being included if they moved here with their parents when they were younger.

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Why would you assume that every single (non American) immigrant that comes here would want to change the way Canada is run? Considering the vast majority come here because they like the way it's run. This is such a wild take.

Besides, the politics of this country were built on genocide and do not reflect the values of the land's original caretakers that were here for tens of thousands of years. But I guess those first immigrants were correct in changing the way things are run here and so we should be upholding their values and their values only??

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca -4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I hate the original people argument. There is no land on this earth that wasn't conquered multiple times. Even the first nations in North America warred against each other and took land from each other many times before the Europeans showed up. It wasn't a giant happy campfire singalong for 10,000 years.

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Okay, but given your original comment that the people who "are already here" (eg. Canadian citizens) should be the only ones to vote, you do seem to be lending weight to the idea that people who were already here should be making the decisions.

Do you think that the first immigrants (settlers) to come here from England and France should also not have been allowed to decide on how the country was run? Or is it only new immigrants that shouldn't be allowed a voice in government? What's the cutoff?

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 1 points 17 hours ago

I think they took the land, just like everyone else has been taking land for all of human history, and applying modern government concepts to something that happened a few hundred years ago is stupid.

We can try to prevent future injustices, we can fix wrongs that occurred in the lifetimes of people who are alive (like reparations for residential schools) but trying to go back and change things for anything done prior to anyone alive existing is stupid.

So the cutoff is "is anyone still alive that it directly happened to" and descendents do not count.

[–] match@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago

i think if i immigrated to Canada I'd fight for First Nations rights and want it to change in favor of that

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

I wish I'd married a Canadian in 2004 when the getting was good, haha.

I even speak some French.