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I was ready to demand my Lefty comrades go vote for Kamala: after all, one Genocide is better than two genocides.
But then she came out "tough on the border" and took that from me. She promised to be every bit as hard as Trump.
https://theweek.com/politics/kamala-harris-immigration-policy-mexico-border
But she worked HARD to alienate the Left. She took every piece of rhetoric I had and shat on it.
So we have Kamala caving on Gaza with rhetoric (and walking it back)
https://forward.com/fast-forward/666427/kamala-harris-does-not-agree-with-protester-who-shouted-genocide-her-campaign-says/
But flatly refusing to do anything:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/crocodile-tears-and-genocide-how-the-gaza-war-is-threatening-kamala-harris-s-white-house-chances/ar-AA1tnGVg
Just like the Liberal Party. Promise almost nothing, make a symbolic gesture, do actually nothing.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/harris-gaza
So when she gets no support, why are Clinton Neoliberal, Reaganomics-poisoned-but-polite Liberals surprised? This is the Country they designed, on purpose.
Citation? Because any time I saw anything indicating that, she IMMEDIATELY walked it back. And I've cited (shitty) sources.
It is possible for her to be a bad candidate who made consistently bad decisions, and for it still to be a bad choice for an individual to not vote for her.
source: *gestures in all directions *
100% I have voted in every primary until this one bc it was canceled. I still voted for her even though I hated it bc the reality is/was that, of the two choices, she was not the worst.
The time for moral grandstanding is always long past when it’s Election Day.
Good line. And good reasoning before that!
I have voted third party in the distant past. It’s not some awful taboo to not play along with the two party system. And given my extended family, the further back I look in the past the more that right wing stuff just seemed normal, so I may not make the same choice now.
But the time to abstain or go third party is when the price of expressing my more ideal choice is worth not voting against the worse of the 2-party candidates.
I guess the logical exception to that is if you’re an accelerationist and you think we are SO far beyond being able to course correct that it is literally a more moral and humane outcome to turn the nu-neo-nazis loose on just about every vulnerable demographic that exists. Then you get to the rebuild phase faster and there’s less time for the government to kill & ruin people. But you never know if your plan is going to hit a little roadblock called nuclear armageddon.
Again, third party votes did not remotely sway the 2024 election. Blaming protest voters for your candidate’s anemic performance just reeks of entitlement.
Yeah sure, but I wasn’t talking about any of that. It was about the individual decision making process.
Accelerationism is how we got Israel holding an abnormal amount of power for a country their size / economic importance.
100% real. I had the same reasoning. I'm just mad she didn't let me bring more people with me.
Genocide voters deserve genocide. Too late to complain now lmao
Get sent to Gitmo. Enjoy your own medecine. No empathy whatsoever
trump still worse.
No thought comment?
I can do that too.
(Voted for her too, btw, I'm mad her rhetoric didn't let me bring friends)
I dug through my comment history to find this. It has plenty of links.
No Bernie's campaign and Warren's campaign drove Biden to the left on a whole host of issues, including labor unions.
Don't lie.
This comment said it best and lists calls for a ceasefire from Harris.
https://lemmy.world/comment/13069715
Harris promised to do everything in her power to end the war in Gaza.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/4/harris-says-will-end-gaza-war-in-final-election-appeal-to-arab-americans
Unlike Biden, Harris was not a life long Zionist.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-am-zionist-how-joe-bidens-lifelong-bond-with-israel-shapes-war-policy-2023-10-21/
Harris wasn't perfect. And that was simply not good enough for some people who didn't want to risk their hands getting dirty. Even if it meant the Palestinians becoming the cost of doing business.
Good for you. I appreciate it. No need to spread propaganda though.
Saying that Israel has a right to exist is Zionist.
The context matters. That doesn't mean it has the right to exist as an apartheid state. She wants a two state solution. Which should be the goal.
No amount of misquoting is getting anyone out of the fact she was the correct choice in 2024.
Why should that be the goal? Why does stolen land get to remain stolen just because a couple of generations have passed?
Because a couple of generations have passed. It's wrong to displace the Palestinians. It's wrong to displace the Israelis. It's wrong to displace people. There is no more correct place for people to be living then where they are right now.
Israel must return to the 1967 borders.
https://www.nad.ps/en/our-position/borders
Is this propaganda?
Ah yeah you guys should have voted for genocider-lite. To save the genocidees.
Damn Arabs they never know what's good for them. Now enjoy the bombing idiots /s
Thank you for the well reasoned response.
Here is my Issue:
When the Harris campaign did nothing to add teeth to the promise of a ceasefire (such as cutting off the weapons for the genocide would have done)? It comes off as just another empty gesture.
"Ben, stop the fighting! I mean it! we really need this to stop! I mean it!"
Only in the final final week before the election did I find any hope of cutting off weapons shipments. I had to dig, I had to scrounge, I had to be plugged in all day, every day, and trust political tabloids to maybe have it right this time, even as they referenced hints and leaked memos that the reader just had to trust existed.
Evidence was sparse, hard to find, and hard to trust.
Meanwhile, the sale of Palestinian Land https://wagingnonviolence.org/2025/01/activists-infiltrate-israeli-events-selling-palestinian-land-in-us/ Continues unabated. We see the incentive even beyond the "manifest destiny" style ideology, we see material gain for Israel to continue as long as ammo will last.
And rather than break from Joe, she wanted to be seen as AIPAC as honoring his commitments. She had a long history of supporting Israel. Publicly. Loudly. Even as that foreign-state's lobby backed people far to her right in both parties. https://theintercept.com/2024/10/24/aipac-spending-congress-elections-israel/
This information was widely available. Easily accessible. Why would I trust someone who wants AIPAC campaign money to share my values when I don't even see her articulating them in any meaningful way?
Harris' refusal to break from Biden on the campaign trail and the DNC consultants sunk her campaign into the ground.
Harris would have plenty of room to break from Biden once he was out of the White House.
This is what I mean when I say Biden was a life long Zionist. He was actively sabotaging US foreign policy since he was VP.
https://jewishcurrents.org/joe-bidens-alarming-record-on-israel
This is not the same as supporting a two-state solution.
Yep. I don't understand this fetish for decorum. People are hurting, and all your entire party could do was consider the feelings of a dementia-riddled genocide supporter.
Quit running defense for a Party that was already staging Genocide before Joe was in charge:
https://www.voicesheardfoundation.org/post/deportations-and-due-process-comparing-obama-and-trump-policies
They're just more polite, so they let you go back to brunch while the Genocide continues within our own border.
Fuck you and everything you stand for, Diet-Fascist.
With Obama I posit he had to overcome racism and Bill Clinton cheating on Hillary Clinton.
I'm arguing for the most useful strategy during elections. Which you did by voting for Harris. Other people on here are still arguing against this.
No one has to like the Democrats. They're our most useful tool until some socialist or progressive co-opts the Democratic party. edit: typo
You may have missed the "No daylight, kid." thing it seems.
What does that have to with anything? Harris was never under any obligation to follow that instruction once she became president.
Which would mean accepting a lie, thereby completely undermining calls for context or saying statements are being misquoted.
They are being misquoted. That was a Biden quote used to say that Harris had the same position Biden. Which is a lie.
Harris had distinct positions on Israel. Biden telling her to have the same positions doesn't mean she had the same positions.
Sure. Though we can't quite know if even that's true as she did not become president.
Was still pretty much the biggest self-sabotaging way of communicating that sentiment in the campaign.
I'm not sure what you're referring to. We cannot look into an alternate timeline.
Former presidents do not have power over current presidents.
We can look at her public statements. And those compared to this make it clear Biden was definitely worse
https://jewishcurrents.org/joe-bidens-alarming-record-on-israel
Biden's been derailing US foreign policy on the Israel since he was vp.
Yes.
Bullshit. Biden deported more than Trump. But it wasn't news because he did it legally. Everyone got due process. There were no foreign prisons for the mass deportations. The problem with Trump isn't the deportation but his illegal methods.
To a Liberal? Sure. One minute court hearings under Obama were technically "due process". https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama
I care about my neighbors, not some piece of paper.
For a long time, Democrats have been polite Republicans, and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
Yeah exactly. You're not better than the trumpists, just less efficient lmao
Its all just more authoritarian propaganda man. They're either mentally deficient or brainwashed at this point.
Way to unpack your slurs, maaan.
Anarchist here to tell you Obama turned deportation hearings into drive-thru ceremonies instead of actual justice:
https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama