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The Senate has passed a bill making Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) the U.S.'s largest interior law enforcement agency with funding for Donald Trump's immigration enforcement agenda higher than most of the world's militaries, including Israel's.

Pending its passage in the House of Representatives, Trump's bill could mean a massive increase in ICE funding as part of an immigration enforcement agenda worth $150 billion over four years.

This figure is more than the annual military budget of Italy, which at $30.8 billion, is the world's 16th highest defense spender for this year according to tracker Global Fire Power.

It is also higher than military spending for Israel, ($30 billion), the Netherlands ($27 billion) and Brazil ($26.1 billion).

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[–] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 126 points 3 days ago (4 children)

We should quit paying our taxes

[–] Damionsipher@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago (14 children)

Leave the US. If you have expertise you'll be easily welcomed into most countries, if not, there is are a lot of countries you can still move to that are not police states. Either way you'll stop paying/supporting and supporting US fascism with your work. The immigrants your government is so eager to deport have been through worse.

[–] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (17 children)

I would have been gone years ago I just don’t really have the means to leave

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[–] JordanZ@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

The US is an odd duck when it comes to taxes

The USA is one of the few countries of the world which levies personal income tax on all its citizens: not only on its residents - citizens or non-citizens - but also on its citizens who do not live in the country. All citizens of the United States are taxed under the same personal income tax system, regardless of whether they live in the country or abroad.

This is true but you’re only taxed by the US if the country in which you live isn’t taxing you higher already. So if you move to a gulf Arab state with no income tax yes. But most places in Europe? You won’t have to pay US tax since domestic tax will be higher.

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[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] ryanee@fedia.io 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

As if any cops would even attempt to stop them instead of joining in. Calling the police is just giving them backup.

[–] Damionsipher@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

No, but there will be a war front that you can position yourself on the not-scum side of.

The US is a bit special. It is the only state to require its citizens pay taxes to it on (regular) earnings abroad. Other places only tax earnings made inside their own borders.

So to truly be off the hook for American taxes as a non-elite, you'll have to renounce your citizenship.

[–] handsoffmydata@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)

There are too few places to escape to in modern society, given the rise of authoritarian globally. I was planning on Germany until the Russia/Ukraine conflict. Now I find it more prudent to stay in the U.S. and relocate to a low population area. For the handful of dense urban environments in the U.S. there are far more wide open spaces with no people.

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[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

I left earlier this year. I'm a tan skinned Latina trans woman immigrant, basically their #1 target. I'm still absolutely terrified for my friends and family.

I truly hate that I'm still chained to the US via my citizenship. A part of me hopes they denaturalize me so I don't have to pay them shit.

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[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Too late for that now..they'll just take all your money, house, claim you're not a citizen, force you to work for 1/256th of that you earn now and keep the bribe from companies that bought you.

[–] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well either choice leads to imprisonment of some type so I’ll go out blasting rather than perpetuate it

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[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Then your government will acquire yet more debt. And if everything crumbles down for them, there will be your offspring paying for that debt and their taxes for generations.

I don't know what's worse, honestly. I just know everyone needs to fight back and resist, and they'll get exhausted fighting everywhere in the world. But it they don't have to fight, they'll just keep doing their shit.

[–] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

This shit can’t be bankrolled any more. I personally didn’t have offspring because the future is far too bleak to even dream of subjecting another human being to what’s to come. Yeah, we need to start fighting and needed to quite some time ago.

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Nice of you to assume I'm gonna have kids.

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[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Offspring? In this economy?

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (13 children)

The government can just print money, they don't actually strictly need your taxes (see MMT). The only actual path is withholding labour and mass protests (with at least a credible threat of violent escalations).

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Printing money is how you get hyperinflation. You cant just print money without it flooding the market. If you do that too often, the money becomes worthless.

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