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[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 64 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh, you mean Alligator Auschwitz that was just built in florida?

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Auschwitz was an extermination camp, not just a concentration camp though.

For now, it's much more like Alligator Dachau. That was the nazi's first and flagship concentration camp used for propaganda.

[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Oh that is so much better. /s

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I mean, yeah? An extermination camps is arguably several magnitudes worse than a concentration camp, isn't it?

That doesn't detract from both being horrific.

Hyperbole and analogies are just two conflicting figures of speech. The overall message is weakened than if either is used by itself.

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

How many people have to die of negligence before it becomes an extermination camp? Or does the term extermination camp necessitate active acts of murder?

[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Not to mention it did become an extermination camp.

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dachau? No, it never became an extermination camp. Hell, I visited the memorial site and know about its history to some extent (though certainly far less than actual historians).

It killed tens of thousands still, especially in the later parts of WW2. But its purpose was still to concentrate enemies of the state and not to exterminate them.

[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

I should have clarified, I meant Auschwitz.

[–] huppakee 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not necessarily a fan of using words from nazi-germany to describe MAGA shit, because it allows the maga-fascists to say they're not as bad as the nazi-fascists (which I believe is true, for now). But if you're gonna do, I don't think this is how you should do it.

I don't have to explain that if you use a thing and put a new word for it, you get a new thing (for example, New York is different than York). But the thing is, you can't always know what connotations people have with the added word. A toy car and a super car are both cars, but you know one of those doesn't have an engine. The word toy downgrades how serious it is compared to just the word car alone. The opposite is true for summer camp and concentration camp, where concentration adds a different meaning to the word camp.

Because Auswitz is most of all known as a place where millions of people were killed and, putting a new word in front most of the time will make it actually sound less awful. Alligator Auswitz, at least to me, makes it sound like a less deadly place than 'normal' Auswitz.

Auswitz Alcatraz on the other hand sounds like a deadlier version of the 'normal' Alcatraz.

[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Names aside, they’re going to take people in there and kill them.

65 million Haitians and this is what they want to do with them.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/laura-loomer-alcatraz-alligator-lives-matter-trump-b2782150.html

Let’s not get lost in the sauce.

[–] huppakee 4 points 2 days ago

For sure, us gov is doing horrible things right now and the association people have with nazi-germany make total sense.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Ah yes technically correct. Alligator Auschwitz is just catchier for political purposes and frankly close enough to evoke the intended feelings

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, and Dachau escalated to Auschwiz. Just like what will happen here.

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It might happen here, which is why Dachau would be the more apt comparison in my opinion.

But right now, it's certainly not anything like Auschwitz. The Japanese Internment Camps you had some decades ago weren't Auschwitzes either.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

No, they weren't. But we've already seen how this shit ends, and the name is an allusion to that.